# Supreme Court has overturned Roe v. Wade (No longer a draft as of 06-24-2022.) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** roe\_vs\_wade\_abortion\ **Created:** [May 3, 2022, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862 "2022-05-03T01:04:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 58
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1161 "2022-06-25T11:57:16Z")
It’s not even on paper, and it is helping tremendously - look at the judges being appointed. The issue is that the majorities (particularly in the Senate) aren’t large enough to get very far on the progressive wish-list, particularly because a fairly significant number of Democrats (both voters and congress-critters) don’t support everything on that list. Pelosi does a good job of wrangling the House, but Schumer has approximately zero degrees of freedom in what he can do, beyond approve appointments. I understand the frustration with the (very) slow bend of the arc of justice, but that is the way things get done. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1162 "2022-06-25T12:00:13Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > It’s not even on paper It is on paper. That is why they allow assholes like Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema in the party and do not send them packing. As it stands, the Dems have a majority in the senate. It’s worthless but it keeps McConnell from running the senate. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1163 "2022-06-25T12:01:11Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Yes we do. That is why Charles Schumer is the majority leader. You obviously have a different definition of « control » than I have. Senator Schumer and his party cannot get their platform enacted by the Senate. Sure, he’s got procedural powers, like committee chairs and the agenda, but he doesn’t have substantive power to get his party’s platform enacted by the Senate. It’s about power. They don’t have it. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1164 "2022-06-25T12:02:30Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > As it stands, the Dems have a majority in the senate. It’s worthless but it keep McConnell from running the senate. So, it’s not worthless. It’s just not large enough to do much with. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1165 "2022-06-25T12:02:58Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > You obviously have a different definition of « control » than I have. The alternative is letting Mitch McConnell regain the leadership. Is that a better outcome? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1166 "2022-06-25T12:08:37Z")
I’m not talking about whether Schumer or McConnell is better. From a poli-sci view, it’s not accurate to say that having 50%+1 amounts to « control » in the Senate. Not on the major substantive issues that need legislation to be enacted. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1167 "2022-06-25T12:10:17Z")
It is a HUGE difference! McConnell, as majority leader, made sure Obama did not get a supreme court justice nomination through (and here we are). The majority leader can keep bills from coming to a vote and block nominations. It’s a big deal. The senate majority leader has substantial power. If Dems kick Manchin and Sinema to the curb (as they should) they lose control of the senate. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1168 "2022-06-25T12:28:49Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > {…} I understand the frustration with the (very) slow bend of the arc of justice, but that is the way things get done. From _Civil War_ to _Civil Rights_, basically, took one hundred years. From _Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell_ to _Obergefell_, basically, in twenty years. * * * Malcolm was right, _“If you stick a knife in my back nine inches and pull it out six inches, there’s no progress. If you pull it all the way out that’s not progress. Progress is healing the wound that the blow made. And they haven’t even pulled the knife out much less heal the wound. They won’t even admit the knife is there.”_ But so was, paraphrasing, Nelson, _“We have walked that long road to freedom. We have tried not to falter; we have made missteps along the way. But we have discovered the secret that after climbing a great hill, we only find that there are many more hills to climb. We have taken a moment here to rest, to steal a view of the glorious vista that surrounds us, to look back on the distance we have come. But we can only rest for a moment, for with freedom come responsibilities, and we dare not linger, for our long walk is never ending.”_ ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1169 "2022-06-25T13:32:18Z")
Just as an interesting point of information, CNN did a complete word-by-word comparison of the leaked draft of this ruling with the final ruling. The _ **only** _ substantive difference is a new section in which Alito attacks the dissent. All the other changes are mostly tiny details like spelling and punctuation. IOW, after the enormous blowback caused by the leaked ruling, whatever further discussion and arguments occurred, Alito’s written opinion changed not a whit, and in fact if anything, he doubled down by adding an attack on the dissent. ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1170 "2022-06-25T13:45:10Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > He’s not hiding from this decision at all. He’s owning it: > [@Smapti](#): > > In other words; > > “ME ME ME ME ME ME ME EVERYBODY THINK ABOUT MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE TODAY”. Yep. He’s had a gander at the TeeVee and seen all those people who are deliriously happy about this and he wants the credit and the adulation attendant to it. The only lens here is ‘how will this affect me’ and what he says will turn on that dime alone. It’s _completely_ predictable. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1171 "2022-06-25T14:09:19Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > But you don’t have a Dem controlled Senate. You need 60 to control the Senate. The 60 vote threshold is not a legal requirement. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1172 "2022-06-25T14:12:57Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > But you don’t have a Dem controlled Senate. You need 60 to control the Senate When was the last proposed bill voted down? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1173 "2022-06-25T14:13:14Z")
> [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > The 60 vote threshold is not a legal requirement. So? I’m talking political power. As currently constituted, to enact your party goals, control of the Senate means 60 senators. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1174 "2022-06-25T14:15:35Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > When was the last proposed bill voted down? Post-Ulvade, the House of Reps passed a bill that would have raised the age to buy a semi-automatic firearm to 21. Got stripped out in the Senate because the Republicans wouldn’t support it. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1175 "2022-06-25T14:19:38Z")
I meant when was the last abortion bill shot down? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1176 "2022-06-25T14:22:13Z")
People like Schumer are realistic. If there’s no point in introducing a bill, why bother? But in any event, I’m speaking of the Senate generally, not just with regard to abortion. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1177 "2022-06-25T14:25:45Z")
I fully understand your point. I just want to point out that if you (you as in “the pro-Choice side”) never try, you are doing mcConnell’s work for him. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1178 "2022-06-25T14:45:27Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > So? I’m talking political power. As currently constituted, to enact your party goals, control of the Senate means 60 senators. Sure, at present they neither have 60 senators willing to vote for abortion rights legislation or 50 willing to get rid of the filibuster over it. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1179 "2022-06-25T14:49:44Z")
Aside from me having a wicked hangover (despite not having had a drop of ETOH last evening), I awoke with this thought: “Let the voters decide in November !” ANALOGY: The accusation is that somebody planted a bomb in your car. Now you’re suggesting we get in that car and drive ? No, thanks ! The anti-choice spokespeople are droning on and on about _this being Democracy – let the voters decide._ They’re evil, but not stupid. We all know about election rigging, electoral process commandeering, Sec o’State sleeper cells, and gerrymandering. We are _not_ a Democracy (but a Constitutional Republic), but this is _so_ very much like wealthy people saying that they pay “all the taxes that the law requires,” knowing full well that they wrote those laws. I’m nauseated this morning. Maybe I’m pregnant. Oh, well. So sad, too bad. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1180 "2022-06-25T14:52:28Z")
Moderating: > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Yup, first the non-barrier methods, then the Protestants will find common ground with the evil Papist ring kissing Mary worshipers and then all artificial contraception will be declared intrinsically evil since they usurp God’s will that the daughters of Eve be punished for their Original Sin. Please dial back the inflammatory language. While I appreciate emotions are running high over this issue, it is rarely if ever conducive to useful discussion to introduce slurs against a group in total. If you want to vent your spleen, you know the way to the Pit. Thanks. Not a warning. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862.md?page=57) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862.md?page=59)