# Supreme Court has overturned Roe v. Wade (No longer a draft as of 06-24-2022.) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** roe\_vs\_wade\_abortion\ **Created:** [May 3, 2022, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862 "2022-05-03T01:04:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 60
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1201 "2022-06-25T18:12:06Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > {…} No God-fearing Christian can support stinkin’ baloney like that. {…} For I was hungry and you pointed me to the nearest dumpster; I was a stranger and you locked me in a cage in a detention center; I was naked and you said I was a child groomer; I was sick and you told me to have a bake sale; I was in prison and you said “Cool, free labor!”. ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_Door](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1202 "2022-06-25T18:28:37Z")
Would an executive order giving a blanket pardon to women obtaining and any and all people assisting in abortion services be workable? It would be similar to the hundreds of thousands of draft evaders pardoned by President Carter in 1977. There would have to be provisions for excluding third trimester abortions and abortions under conditions that would have been illegal under the Roe v Wade, but it could provide a short term relief for women unable to leave their home states. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1203 "2022-06-25T18:30:32Z")
The President cannot pardon state charges. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1204 "2022-06-25T18:41:03Z")
No way, Jose (as it were). > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > This would be easily funded by taxes. Sure, people would have to pay higher taxes… But funding it by TAXATION, and HIGHER taxes at that… I don’t freakin’ think so. If you want something, you pay for it directly. That’s the 'Murrican way. And if you can’t afford it, well, it’s your own damn fault. I repeat: not the federal or state government’s problem. _[Of course, I personally think we should go full-on democratic socialism, **with** higher taxes, which will give us many services and protections such as those enjoyed by civilized countries. But that’s not gonna happen in my lifetime. I’ll be dead in 25 years or less, thank goodness.]_ ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1205 "2022-06-25T18:41:25Z")
One stopgap measure that intrigues me: > Another particularly invasive proposal would bring abortionists to federal facilities like military bases, which are a sort of autonomous zone for state prosecution, inside states that have outlawed abortions. Screw their pejorative take on it 😉 I _like_ it ! [**SOURCE**](https://www.nationalreview.com/news/biden-administration-weighs-declaring-public-health-emergency-to-protect-abortion-access/) And aren’t at least _some_ VA hospitals on federal land ? ---
**Author:** ![LilXMo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lilxmo/32/4225_2.png) [@LilXMo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilXMo)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1206 "2022-06-25T18:51:09Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > t the state level. Let each state decide. A victory for the 10th Amendment. We keep getting caught up in the “abortion” part. What the Supreme Court did was strip womens rights from the protection of the 14th Amendment. My reproductive and sexual privacy and freedom have been removed from my ownership and turned over to the government. HIPPA (most likely) doesn’t protect my gynecological choices if I am suspected of a nefarious act. Any woman who suffers a miscarriage is now going to be in that pool of suspects. Women are bearing the consequence of this decision, even if men are affected. This is effectively a decision that, IMO, puts women into “their place” within a patriarchal Christian government structure. It also strips protection from the girls who are molested and raped and get pregnant. Seems like the trauma of forcing a 10 year old girl to birth her own sibling or cousin will have far greater impact than any abortion would. Fast forward to dating prospects in high school. “She’s a slut, she’s already had 1 kid” ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1207 "2022-06-25T18:55:44Z")
This has been mentioned on various news show last night. Tribal lands could also be possible. There were quite a few stop gap measure tossed about yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1208 "2022-06-25T19:00:05Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I repeat: not the federal or state government’s problem. It is if the government mandates something. If the people of a state don’t want to pay for children who would not otherwise exist, they can vote to change the law. If they don’t want to change the law, then they should be responsible for their choice. Saying that the People can force women to have children without taking responsibility for forcing them to do it is saying that they want to eat their cake and have it too. You want more babies? Take responsibility for them. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1209 "2022-06-25T19:40:22Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > I understand the frustration with the (very) slow bend of the arc of justice The thing they don’t tell you is that that arc has a very jagged curve, and at any given moment may be bending the wrong way. (Who’s “they”? I’ve no idea. That was the way this reply came out of my head, and I’m too tired to rephrase it. Though, apparently, not too tired to type this explanation.) > [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > If you don’t like your current government, you have the freedom to fire it and hire a different government. Can’t do that with the federal government. We are supposed to be able to do exactly that with the federal government. > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Of course I think women have (not ‘should have’; ‘have’) the right to choose. But if their rights are taken away, then simply having the state pay for the care and upbringing of the child is a simple, fair compromise solution. And also for the women’s time for nine months plus recovery; and major indemnification for any way in which they don’t recover, including pain-and-suffering awards and repair if possible of any and all medical issues they endured and/or were left with, including mental issues; and also indemnification for loss of work/education/etc opportunities; and even more major indemnification for any permanent damage, paid to the survivors if that damage includes death? > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Saying that the People can force women to have children without taking responsibility for forcing them to do it is saying that they want to eat their cake and have it too. You want more babies? Take responsibility for them. A point, as far as it goes. And your implied point that the anti-choice faction will do no such thing is valid. However, “we want more babies, so you should be forced to produce them” is an utterly terrible argument even if it has added on to it “and we’ll pay to take care of them”. Even if it comes along with payment for expenses and damages made directly to the unwillingly pregnant. It amounts to “we can enslave you in the most intimate way possible, from inside your own body”. No amount of payment makes that OK. People who want more babies should have more babies. (I’m quite willing to hear arguments that they should be paid for it; that’s essential work that the society doesn’t respect anywhere near enough, despite lots of lipservice paid – and that’s generally the only thing that it gets paid.) They shouldn’t try to make other people do so. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1210 "2022-06-25T19:47:21Z")
Exactly. Coincidentally, this popped up on FB today. (Just copying the text.) ‘My religion says I can’t do that.’ ‘Okay.’ ‘My religion says you can’t do that.’ ‘F\_\_k off.’ ---
**Author:** ![Fugazi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f08c70/32.png) [@Fugazi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fugazi)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1211 "2022-06-25T19:50:38Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Sure, people would have to pay higher taxes; but they have the benefit of there being another child who would not otherwise exist. Benefit? Are you serious? There are over 7.7 BILLION people in the world now. How is forcing women who don’t want to, to make more a benefit to anyone? Hell, even the kids forced to be born are likely going to grow up in a shithole world and probably won’t be thanking you later. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1212 "2022-06-25T19:51:45Z")
> [@Fugazi](#): > > Benefit? Are you serious? There are over 7.7 BILLION people in the world now. How is forcing women who don’t want to, to make more a benefit to anyone? I have no idea. But to anti-choice people, there is clearly a benefit else they wouldn’t force women and girls to have babies. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1213 "2022-06-25T19:59:01Z")
They’ve made it very clear, not once, but twice, with the infamous [Fourteen Words](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words). ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1214 "2022-06-25T20:00:41Z")
Given that abortion bans will almost certainly affect people of colour the most, I don’t think the 14 Words would apply. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1215 "2022-06-25T20:02:07Z")
Someone has to fill all the for profit prisons we keep building. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1216 "2022-06-25T21:10:59Z")
I just had a thought and I have to share it. The exact same pseudo-historic reasoning used to reverse Roe v. Wade could be used to reverse Loving v. VA. I think they ought to immediately arrest the Thomas’s and try them for miscegenation. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1217 "2022-06-25T21:23:12Z")
Arrest the Thomas’s what? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1218 "2022-06-25T21:30:06Z")
The parts that were doing the miscegenation, of course. They can keep the rest. ---
**Author:** ![LilXMo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lilxmo/32/4225_2.png) [@LilXMo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilXMo)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1219 "2022-06-25T21:55:20Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > And also for the women’s time for nine months plus recovery; and major indemnification for any way in which they don’t recover, including pain-and-suffering awards and repair if possible of any and all medical issues they endured and/or were left with, including mental issues; and also indemnification for loss of work/education/etc opportunities; and even more major indemnification for any permanent damage, paid to the survivors if that damage includes death? I’ve been saying this for years. In fact I think we should unionize, demand wages and benefits. Yes, I’m the woman who doesn’t want children, because I’m self-centered and also because of a genetic issue I don’t want to pass along. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1220 "2022-06-25T22:10:06Z")
Here’s the issue I’m having: while I’m pro-choice, I kinda sorta agree (and I believe, so did RBG) that it was a stretch for Blackmun to find a constitutional “right to privacy” in a reading of the amendments. But was that the only way to rationalize a pro-choice stance? Isn’t there any other principle that says that states have no business running around enacting laws that impinge on private matters that they have no legitimate interest in regulating? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862.md?page=59) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862.md?page=61)