# Supreme Court has overturned Roe v. Wade (No longer a draft as of 06-24-2022.) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** roe\_vs\_wade\_abortion\ **Created:** [May 3, 2022, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862 "2022-05-03T01:04:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 63
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2022, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1261 "2022-06-26T22:16:54Z")
Here you be: > **[Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dobbs_v._Jackson_Women%27s_Health_Organization)** > > Pages for logged out editors learn more > > > Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, No. 19-1392, 597 U.S. \_\_\_ (2022), is a landmark decision of the U.S. Supreme Court in which the court held that the Constitution of the United States does not confer a right to abortion. The court's decision overruled both Roe v. Wade (1973) and Planned Parenthood v. Casey (1992), giving individual states the full power to regulate any aspect of abortion not protected by federal law. > The case concer... ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2022, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1262 "2022-06-26T22:22:41Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > Here you be: Thank you. I have a better idea how what happened now. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2022, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1263 "2022-06-26T23:32:03Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > _ **THIS ISN’T THE KIND OF FIGHT YOU WIN, ITS THE KIND OF FIGHT YOU FIGHT** _. > > It’s important to understand that we will _never_ win on any of these issues. I see it as a perpetual tug-of-war with each side pulling as hard as they can on the rope, trying not only to gain ground but to make the other side lose ground. > > Yes, it frequently looks like nothing is happening, nothing is getting done……because both sides are pulling hard on the ropes. But it’s a mistake to think that nothing’s happening because nothing’s moving, This is true. We’re going to have to keep fighting these battles at least until/unless we manage to evolve into a better species. Which may never happen. I didn’t mean that the Democrats were right in thinking this particular bit of the fight had been won indefinitely. But it’s a battle with a whole lot of fronts; and they expected this one to hold longer than it did. And I still say that claiming this mess is the fault of the Democrats, rather than of the people on the other end of the rope, is a dangerous error. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2022, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1264 "2022-06-26T23:45:04Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Do I have to get the cite showing Republicans wanting to ban contraceptives . . . again? A few do. Only 14% of Americans want to ban all abortion. only 9% want to ban contraceptives. However, the GOP is lining up to kiss the asses of some tiny minorities. > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > An attempt to blame this mess on the Democrats is worse than useless. Just what the kremlin has been pushing- “Both parties are just as bad”. Trying to get voters to stay home. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2022, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1265 "2022-06-26T23:51:27Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > There is something I say often on this forum in regard to these social issues, and that is _ **THIS ISN’T THE KIND OF FIGHT YOU WIN, ITS THE KIND OF FIGHT YOU FIGHT** _. Yes. It is a dynamic system and however lovely poetic metaphors about bending arcs may be, it _can_ move backwards as well as forward. There needs to be a forward vector exerting force at all time, so forces pulling _backward_ are not unhindered. > [@DavidNRockies](#): > > I think of defending any gains in social justice like being the warden or corrections officers in a prison: it’s never safe to assume they’re not plotting escape or violent rebellion. In fact, it’s probably much safer to assume that they’re _always_ doing that. > … > _Also like_ the prison(er) metaphor, they incessantly look for loopholes and weaknesses – cracks that they can exploit for their own advantage. Right – I can believe that there were people out there expecting some sort of case directly challenging Roe in a stupidly obvious head-on fashion. Instead what we have had for a long time has been a series of probing attacks striking at weak points until the time was ripe for a breakthrough. That left many people kind of lost – _“wait, are we litigating what they did in Texas? In Arkansas? In Mississippi? didn’t we go through that two years ago? What is different now?”_ At any given time there have been cases moving through the system chipping away or opening a door for a willing majority to walk through, this time there finally was bith a willing majority and the kind of door they felt they could walk through confidently. (Heck, I just heard a program on the radio where one of the interviewees commented that _Planned Parenthood v. Casey_, by including in its ruling that you _could_ impose regulations on the access as long as they were not “undue burdens”, actually helped lead to the swarm of ever-more restrictive probe-the-envelope statutes and cases.) ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1266 "2022-06-27T02:16:08Z")
I love this and it’s fantastic. I plan to present this argument to anyone who starts in with the “what difference does it make?” argument going forward. Thanks for sharing it, @Ann_Hedonia. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1267 "2022-06-27T04:32:53Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Yes, but he doesn’t say it is unconstitutional to expend those resources, so any jurisdiction that wants to can (if/when Obergefell/Lawrence are overturned). In fact he says it _is_ constitutional to expend law enforcement resources on arresting people for sodomy. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1268 "2022-06-27T05:17:32Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > it is incumbent on the state to provide food, shelter, medical care, education, etc. until the child’s 18th birthday. This would be easily funded by taxes. Or it could be funded with child support garnished from the parents wages, plus federal funds already set aside for foster care. Which will your typical Republican state choose? Raising taxes, or not raising taxes? ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1269 "2022-06-27T06:29:18Z")
The typical Republican state will choose “none of the above.” Once the babies are born, fuck 'em, they’re on their own. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1270 "2022-06-27T12:54:44Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > Or it could be funded with child support garnished from the parents wages, In other words, force women to have unwanted babies, and then force them to pay for them. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1271 "2022-06-27T21:11:14Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > Or it could be funded with child support garnished from the parents wages, plus federal funds already set aside for foster care. Perhaps every male should be required to submit a DNA sample to a National Parental Database. This sample could be used to prove paternity in every case where a woman is required by the State to give birth to an unwanted child. The father would then be required to pay for all child expenses, for 18 years, including compensating the mother for any time off work or other medical expenses for the birth or subsequent health issues arising from the birth. Should the father be unable to pay for any of these expenses, because he is chronically unemployed, or incarcerated, or just bone lazy, then the State will need to step in to cover ALL child rearing expenses, as they are the ones responsible in law for mandating the birth. Pro-life folks should applaud this, as it gives primary responsibility to the father, who participated in creating the child, and secondary responsibility to the State, who forced the child to exist. And as they are “pro-life”, they should be in favor of life from 0 - 18 years of age. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1272 "2022-06-27T21:25:35Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Pro-life folks should applaud this, as it gives primary responsibility to the father, who participated in creating the child… Except that it’s the woman’s responsibility. ‘She should have kept her legs closed.’ (And yes, I remember the comment saying I lacked imagination, but the phrase is actually a well-used one by the anti-choice crowd.) Oh, and another thing. Everyone – especially politicians – who are pro-choice should stop using the term ‘pro-life’. They should say ‘anti-choice’. In addition, in their campaign ads they need to emphasise that their anti-choice are taking away peoples’ FREEDOM®. They should ask why Republicans hate America and want to put the American People under their thumbs. ‘Oh, but we can’t stoop to their level!’ Yes, we bloody can. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1273 "2022-06-27T21:28:12Z")
Anybody enjoy Trae Crowder - a/k/a “Liberal Redneck ?” About three minutes. NSFW - LANGUAGE, and … if you don’t like the rapid-fire delivery of somebody who may/may not have had too many Red Bulls … he may not be your guy. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/zIhYM_uoioo/maxresdefault.jpg "Liberal Redneck - Not So Supreme Court") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIhYM_uoioo) ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1274 "2022-06-27T21:42:13Z")
I love that guy. Always brilliant. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1275 "2022-06-27T23:01:33Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Except that it’s the woman’s responsibility. ‘She should have kept her legs closed.’ Or this tweet: > @AmoneyResists > ([https://twitter.com/AmoneyResists](https://twitter.com/AmoneyResists)) > > Republican legislator: “I do trust women. I trust women to control when they allow a man to ejaculate inside of them and to control that intake of semen.” It’s all her responsibility all the time. 🤦🏽‍♀️ ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1276 "2022-06-27T23:05:45Z")
Who else didn’t know the cervix was sentient? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1277 "2022-06-27T23:48:48Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Republican legislator: “I do trust women. I trust women to control when they allow a man to ejaculate inside of them and to control that intake of semen.” If anything ever merited the _“everyone in this room is dumber for having thad to listen to that”_ line… (But of course that’s the thing, to them it’s all Magical Thinking and a Magical World… it’s not just a biological process involving gametes that just proceeds naturally, it’s something scripted and coreographed by a Higher Power, and the _Good_ Women’s bodies will be enabled by the Power of Jesus to reject the impregnation if that is what is righteous.) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1278 "2022-06-27T23:51:32Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Who else didn’t know the cervix was sentient? Maybe she could stop the sperm with a cervical collar. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1279 "2022-06-27T23:58:28Z")
So good! He can be President. Or sit on the Supreme Court. He’d seriously get my vote. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1280 "2022-06-28T00:36:33Z")
Ah, so women can control when men ejaculate? Some men cant even do that! Magic mind power [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862.md?page=62) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862.md?page=64)