# Supreme Court has overturned Roe v. Wade (No longer a draft as of 06-24-2022.) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** roe\_vs\_wade\_abortion\ **Created:** [May 3, 2022, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862 "2022-05-03T01:04:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 65
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1301 "2022-06-30T17:39:08Z")
I would think this would be similar to being in a state which prohibited marijuana and ordering it from a state where it’s legal. The state could prosecute the person for having a prohibited substance regardless of where they got it from. Unless there is a federal law against shipping the drug across state lines, I wouldn’t think the originating pharmacy could be prosecuted. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1302 "2022-06-30T17:41:26Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Yep - next guy could change his mind (sexist language intended, although there are of course anti-choice women), and go after old cases depending on the statue of limitations (and since a lot of the newer laws at least consider it murder, there generally might not be one). As the article said, both pro-choice and anti-abortion prosecutors have said they won’t prosecute because prosecuting those individual cases would mean _not_ prosecuting other crimes. It’s possible, of course, that a prosecutor with political aspirations who might think a crusade against abortion-seekers would cast a campaign in the light of righteousness or some such nonsense, especially in states with no major metropolitan areas, like Wyoming. But one reason clinics won’t reopen even in those areas where prosecutors are unlikely to pursue charges is that the laws in some states make these civil cases. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1303 "2022-06-30T17:42:02Z")
> [@SunUp](#): > > Could a pill-dispensing operation, perhaps one offering remote access to a doctor in another state to reduce legal exposure, operate legally in one of these blue “sanctuary cities” in a red state? > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I don’t have a cite, but I heard something on NPR Tuesday that at least one state will not allow pills to be prescribed to a person who got the prescription through an online/tele consultation. Dunno how this will work out legally but… [https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/3537363-south-dakota-governor-says-she-will-ban-abortion-pills-prescribed-online/](https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/3537363-south-dakota-governor-says-she-will-ban-abortion-pills-prescribed-online/) ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1304 "2022-06-30T17:49:43Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Dunno how this will work out legally but… How will it work technically ? Ban tele medicine? Sure, good luck. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1305 "2022-06-30T17:52:13Z")
I assume (no real idea) they will criminalize anyone who has possession or uses it in that state. Like if you buy fireworks legally in one state you cannot have them in another where it is illegal. You can do telemedicine but you cannot receive the drugs. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1306 "2022-06-30T17:59:18Z")
Same with MJ and fireworks. Those are a bit easier to track and find than a pill. I see new black market businesses booming. I mean, what else can you expect? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1307 "2022-06-30T18:03:12Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Like if you buy fireworks legally in one state you cannot have them in another where it is illegal. Certain fireworks are illegal here. That doesn’t stop a few thousand people with many thousands of dollars worth of fireworks they bought on one of the reservations from gathering around the bay and lighting them off. Not that I’m complaining. Let them spend their money and we’ll just put out our chairs and watch for free. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1308 "2022-06-30T18:13:42Z")
I do much the same. There is a HUGE fireworks store literally on the border of Illinois and Indiana (in Indiana) just outside of Chicago. That’s no fluke. (Actually there are several very close to the border) I have heard that Illinois state troopers park nearby (in Illinois of course) and watch who comes and goes with binoculars when July 4 gets near. If they see a car leave their parking lot and enter Illinois they radio to other troopers to bust them. Might be apocryphal. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1309 "2022-06-30T18:22:32Z")
What will a pregnant woman and her medical team be permitted to do if at some point in her pregnancy, there is no longer a fetal heartbeat? > **[Miscarriage of Choice](https://medium.com/@brookeob1/miscarriage-of-choice-229de5784653)** > > Two pink lines. I mean, I already knew it, because my menstrual cycle had been like clockwork for nearly 18 years, but still, there they… > … > At ten weeks, we went for a sonogram. No heartbeat. > > Two weeks later, I had a D&C. My body hadn’t cleared things out on its own (neither the first nor the last time my reproductive system would let me down), which could have led to a septic uterine infection, infertility, or death without adequate health care. After the procedure, they gave me a package of the biggest maxi pads I’d ever seen, told me not to have sex for two weeks, and had me sign some paperwork. It said that I had been there for an abortion. “Abortion,” you see, is a medical term that doesn’t much give a fuck when you think life begins. > … ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1310 "2022-06-30T19:42:54Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > That is what we had in the past, but it’s going to look a lot different than a Planned Parenthood clinic and will not offer the same quality of medical care. Rich folks and/or connected folks will still have access to good care for abortions. And once again, as has been stated in the past “For those other people, the cruelty is the point” ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1311 "2022-06-30T19:57:03Z")
Exactly. Women of means and connections will find a sympathetic doctor who for the right fee will diagnose them with a condition that either allows them to terminate under the law or just happens to have the same treatment method as a pregnancy termination. Other women will have to make do with other, much left safe, methods. All this has happened before and all this will happen again. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1312 "2022-06-30T20:12:22Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > …allows them to terminate under the law… What terminations will be allowed under the law? (In general-- I know it will vary from state to state.) A fetus whose heart has stopped beating? At what point in the pregnancy would this be permitted (if, indeed, it would be permitted at all)? ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1313 "2022-06-30T20:19:17Z")
I’ve sat on a deck directly across from the Lummi Nation watching a gigantic fireworks show. We could also see the B’Ham show but the Lummi show was much closer. And non-stop for hours. Crazy. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1314 "2022-06-30T20:21:15Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > What will a pregnant woman and her medical team be permitted to do if at some point in her pregnancy, there is no longer a fetal heartbeat? In some states, I imagine the course of action would be to offer her palliative care until she dies, and if she somehow miraculously lives, to prosecute her for murder. ---
**Author:** ![Ziberian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/919ad9/32.png) [@Ziberian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ziberian)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1315 "2022-06-30T20:31:13Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I don’t have a cite, but I heard something on NPR Tuesday that at least one state will not allow pills to be prescribed to a person who got the prescription through an online/tele consultation. Reportedly Biden is going to fight the pill bans. [Biden Administration to Fight States over Abortion Pills](https://focuswashington.com/2022/06/25/biden-administration-to-fight-states-over-abortion-pills/) These are not only legal drugs being prescribed, but they also have uses other than abortion. [Texas pharmacies are refusing to fill prescriptions because of abortion bans.](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/05/abortion-texas-pharmacies-refusing-prescriptions-misoprostol-methotrexate.html) ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1316 "2022-06-30T21:06:45Z")
Ann, have you ever considered being a syndicated columnist? Your work needs to reach a larger audience than the Dope. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1317 "2022-06-30T21:42:21Z")
> [@Ziberian](#): > > These are not only legal drugs being prescribed, but they also have uses other than abortion. [Texas pharmacies are refusing to fill prescriptions because of abortion bans.](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/05/abortion-texas-pharmacies-refusing-prescriptions-misoprostol-methotrexate.html) These states should just go forward to where they want to be: Require all women to get permission from their father or husband to receive any medical care or prescription. Full stop. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1318 "2022-07-01T02:14:21Z")
But their husbands and fathers might be pro-choice. Far better to have it decided by an independent panel of judgemental White Christian men. Heck when she comes in with a petition they can kill two birds with one stone and examine her genitalia to makes sure she’s really a woman. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1319 "2022-07-01T03:03:41Z")
There will also be a rise in domestic violence against women. Husbands/boyfriends who blame the woman for getting pregnant and injure or kill her. In the 50s my aunt got pregnant for the fourth time. Her husband was furious, got a coat hanger and performed an abortion. She fortunately survived (and he abandoned the family shortly thereafter). If something like this happened today in a state where abortion is murder, it’s not unlikely that he would not be prosecuted. It would be a he said/she said on how it happened and he was the type to absolutely say she did it herself. There are far-reaching affects of this ban that we can’t even comprehend yet. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1320 "2022-07-01T04:36:08Z")
That story is horrifying. > [@aurora\_maire](#): > > it’s not unlikely that he would not be prosecuted. I felt like Ace Ventura reading this. Anyone remember the second Ace Ventura movie, the one set in Africa? Ace is running through the woods and gets hit with a blow dart. He keeps going and gets hit with two more. At this point the darts start kicking in, and as his speech slows down he over-enunciates: “Three darts is _too much_.” Three negatives is _too much_. heh. ETA: Duh, this is the internet, I could just link to a clip instead of describing it.[Here’s that scene.](https://youtu.be/TUeY5V8A9LM) Looks like my memory was pretty solid on this one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862.md?page=64) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862.md?page=66)