# Supreme Court has overturned Roe v. Wade (No longer a draft as of 06-24-2022.) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** roe\_vs\_wade\_abortion\ **Created:** [May 3, 2022, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862 "2022-05-03T01:04:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/144 "2022-05-03T14:26:45Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > They will increasingly become third world basket cases. That use their disproportionate political power to keep the money flowing into them from more progressive states. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/145 "2022-05-03T14:27:57Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > I wonder how many republican women say they’re pro-life feeling safe doing so bc they feel there’s no actual chance Roe would get overturned I surmise that there are a lot of people who believe they will never want to get an abortion, until they actually want to get an abortion. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/146 "2022-05-03T14:27:59Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > For decades, pro-choice people have said the women across the country would not stand for this sort of ruling. Again, not just women (inshallah). ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/147 "2022-05-03T14:29:58Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Again, not just women (inshallah). We will see. I have no prediction my ownself. I do know that many other things I was told would happen did not. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/148 "2022-05-03T14:30:43Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > We will see. I have no prediction my ownself. I do know that many other things I was told would happen did not True. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/149 "2022-05-03T14:31:30Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > I am interesting is seeing how big of a deal this will be. Me too. I certainly care. The activists care. But I and the activists already turn out and vote for pro-choice candidates. I _hope_ it motivates a huge number of people, but I honestly don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/150 "2022-05-03T14:33:21Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Me too. I certainly care. The activists care. But I and the activists already turn out and vote for pro-choice candidates. I _hope_ it motivates a huge number of people, but I honestly don’t know. Hopefully, it supplants inflation as the Big Issue that motivates Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/151 "2022-05-03T14:36:52Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > if you don’t like the laws of your state government, choose another one. Love it or leave it, eh? So, let’s take Ohio. This is a little old, but it should suffice > **[Poll: Ohio voters support Roe v. Wade; oppose heartbeat bill abortion ban](https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/07/26/poll-ohio-voters-support-roe-v-wade-oppose-heartbeat-bill-abortion-ban/1835333001/)** > > Most Ohio voters oppose a recently passed law to ban abortions after a fetal heartbeat is detected, according to the Quinnipiac University poll. > [@](#): > > In the poll, 52 percent of Ohio voters opposed the so-called “heartbeat bill” while 39 percent supported it. Now, in your opinion, should those 52 percent of Ohioans “choose another one”? Why don’t the 39% of those who didn’t like the laws and pushed for them to change “choose another one”? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/152 "2022-05-03T14:38:50Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > Leaking this draft puts all five on record as supporting fully overturning _Roe v. Wade_ , so if they end up signing onto a more restricted decision it will be clear to the conservative movement that they backed off. So? Are they going to get fired by Trump if they back off? ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/153 "2022-05-03T14:39:37Z")
I don’t think it magically motivates a big change in our politics. It is possible that as the ugliness of the antiabortion laws take hold, **if** Democrats can find a way to mobilize, message and advocate on it, it could change opinions. But that isn’t instant, isn’t free, and requires a Democratic party willing to show boldness, which on many issues it simply has not been willing to do. As someone who was not only a lifelong Republican, but on many measures of conservatism I was **more conservative than the average Republican** for most of my life, I have been shocked by how extreme the Republican party has become and I have been equally shocked that there has been what I would say is almost a muted reaction to it. The Democrats have never gone hard in the paint really pounding just how extreme the GOP has become–the GOP runs very hard on calling Democrats Socialists, even though true socialist are a small and mostly powerless minority of the Dem coalition. On the flipside campaigning and politicking on Republican extremism is mild and barely effective, it just boggles my mind in some ways. But anyway, part of the result of all this is I think a lot of people, especially “casual voters” over the age of 40, frankly don’t realize how extreme the GOP has really become. For most of my life, the GOP has had an angry and a somewhat regressive religious fundamentalist minority, but the “meat” of the Republican party (and I know many Dopers will disagree) was essentially a party of conservative restraint. It was often or usually the Democrats proposing big sweeping changes to society. Now the Democrats are locked into pretty moderate thinking, and their most sweeping proposals usually die in internecine squabbles between their far left and their centrists. Meanwhile the GOP is actually codifying many of its most extreme positions into law at the State level. Back when abortion was legalized by Roe, the default was in most states you could get an abortion in the case of rape or for maternal health, a few very liberal states allowed for elective abortions. Many conservative States in the past 5-10 years have passed laws either eliminating exceptions for rape, or narrowing them, and even limiting exceptions for maternal health. I don’t believe any have yet outright said maternal health wouldn’t be an exception, but a few add onerous requirements to prove that the health risk to the mother is imminent and serious, so in theory even women with relatively rare conditions in which **any** pregnancy is a known health risk, for example due to cardiac issues, under the “imminent” health risk standard they could not seek a termination until they actually enter cardiac distress. That is actually a major and terrible change from what was the state of play back before 1972–and I think the meat of our voters in America don’t actually know this. They assume, like many have always assumed, that the Republican party is the party of old grandfathers with sweater vests and rich people, with a few crazy religious nuts but it’s really the guys in the fancy suits running things. That stopped being the case some years ago, and I don’t really know that most of the lower information voters ever recognized it. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/154 "2022-05-03T14:40:01Z")
> [@jshore](#): > > So, what they are really doing is condemning those without such means to carry their fetuses to term. And they’ll be just fine with this. One law for me, another for you. The only moral abortion is MY abortion. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/155 "2022-05-03T14:43:20Z")
Excellent and urgent post. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/156 "2022-05-03T14:43:54Z")
Well put. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/157 "2022-05-03T14:49:26Z")
Biden’s [response to the SCOTUS draft](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-reiterates-support-abortion-rights-release-draft-opinion-overtur-rcna27040). ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/158 "2022-05-03T14:56:00Z")
> [@jshore](#): > > There may be some who, when themselves faced with the actual decision to abort or not abort would choose to get an abortion. However, they would consider themselves pro-life in the absence of such a decision to make themselves. And even _with_ such a decision to make, they would justify _their_ abortion while still condemning others. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/159 "2022-05-03T15:01:29Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > I tend to think the problem for Democrats politically is there is at least some evidence of a disproportionate “enthusiasm gap” on this issue. I’ve only looked at a few of these posts. Forgive any repetition. I think the enthusiasm gap comes from a disparity I often cite here: - Younger liberals who don’t have any way to understand what it was like prior to Roe - Liberals being told that “women’s rights are being stripped away” can be relatively weak sauce compared to: - Conservatives who shout to the heavens, and are daily being pounded with … - ----\> Your kids are being turned LGBTQ - ----\> Your kids are being groomed by Democrat pedophiles - ----\> For God’s sake. Do you _hear_ me ? They’re going to _kill_ your children. It’s the difference between: > You see that guy walking this way on the sidewalk ? He’s going to piss on your lawn and > You see that guy walking this way on the sidewalk ? He’s going to burn down your house To some degree, the ‘enthusiasm gap is understandable.’ It’s another iteration of the “biggest asshole wins” theory. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/160 "2022-05-03T15:01:59Z")
> [@jshore](#): > > There may be some who, when themselves faced with the actual decision to abort or not abort would choose to get an abortion. However, they would consider themselves pro-life in the absence of such a decision to make themselves. And, these people, if they have means, will likely still be able to access abortion (by traveling out-of-state or by pharmaceutical means). So, what they are really doing is condemning those without such means to carry their fetuses to term. Even the ones who get abortions convince themselves that their circumstances are justified, and everyone else’s aren’t. This is the must-read on that subject. > **[“The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion”](https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/)** > > When the Anti-Choice Choose By Joyce Arthur Copyright © September, 2000 Available in a French translation Available in a German translation Available in a Russian translation Abortion is a highly p… ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/161 "2022-05-03T15:15:28Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > there is a major difference between this ruling and for example striking down gay marriage. Abortion is a time-limited event while same sex marriages are ongoing. And unwanted children…? ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/162 "2022-05-03T15:15:44Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > So? Are they going to get fired by Trump if they back off? It’s not about losing their jobs. These justices all move in professional and social circles dominated by conservatives. They care about their reputations among the conservative legal community. And if conservatives see that a complete revocation of _Roe_ is at hand but ends up being undone due to a wavering conservative justice, that justice would incur the white-hot fury of the movement for the rest of their lives. I’m not saying it’s right, but it certainly puts pressure on them to stay a course that they were apparently all on board with anyway. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/163 "2022-05-03T15:18:34Z")
I think the idea is that there are no abortions that are going to be reversed, unlike marriages that could be reversed if Obergefell is overruled. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862.md?page=9)