# Supreme Court has overturned Roe v. Wade (No longer a draft as of 06-24-2022.) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** roe\_vs\_wade\_abortion\ **Created:** [May 3, 2022, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862 "2022-05-03T01:04:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/164 "2022-05-03T15:21:28Z")
But moving forward, there _will be_ unwanted kids, so it becomes a non-time-limited effect. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/165 "2022-05-03T15:21:42Z")
Heavens to murgatroyd! Susan Collins says Justices Kavanaugh and Gorsuch may have been _untruthful_ with her during their confirmation process! Why, I never would’ve thought that was possible! > **[Collins: Draft Roe decision ‘completely inconsistent’ with what Gorsuch,...](https://thehill.com/news/3475255-collins-draft-roe-decision-completely-inconsistent-with-what-gorsuch-kavanaugh-told-me/)** > > Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) said on Tuesday that a leaked Supreme Court draft ruling was “completely inconsistent” with what Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch told her during their private… ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/166 "2022-05-03T15:23:38Z")
Countdown to a sternly worded statement of concern in 5, 4, 3… ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/167 "2022-05-03T15:24:33Z")
They’re going to need to invent a whole new line of moisturizer for her brow. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/168 "2022-05-03T15:24:38Z")
Here’s a funnier take on it: > **[Susan Collins Shocked That Brett Kavanaugh Would Ever Lie to a Woman](https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/susan-collins-shocked-that-brett-kavanaugh-would-ever-lie-to-a-woman)** > > Kavanaugh “looked me in the eye and said that he considered Roe v. Wade the law of the land,” the senator said. “Nothing in his confirmation hearings suggested that he would ever be less than trustworthy with a woman.” ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/169 "2022-05-03T15:27:54Z")
I’m sure she will wring her hands, gnash her teeth, and be very disappointed. And then get back in line. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/170 "2022-05-03T15:29:46Z")
I don’t really know my take on Collins–she has continued to be technically pro-choice in a party where you can win as a pro-life candidate pretty much anywhere that the party is viable, even Maine–and the former Maine Governor who was far right was very pro-life. The fact she has never officially flipped to pro-life makes me suspect her genuine convictions are pro-choice, the fact she simply chose not to care about those convictions at all in voting for Kavanaugh and Gorsuch makes me wonder if she really was stupid enough to think they would hold to their word. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/171 "2022-05-03T15:33:23Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > To the best of my knowledge, the Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion; it appears to be a matter for the people and their elected representatives. I’m not big on proving a negative, but I see the bit about how old you have to be — and how long you have to have been a Citizen of the United State — to become a Senator; likewise, I see the bit about quartering soldiers in my house in time of peace; and I see stuff about the right of trial by jury, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms, and a whole bunch of other things. But, try as I might, I don’t see abortion there; possibly I missed it? And, if this leak is accurate, possibly Alito missed it, and so on? There’s no ninth amendment in your Constitution? The people who wrote the Constitution did not intend for the list of rights they enumerated to be seen as a complete list. They explicitly acknowledged that people have other constitutional rights that aren’t stated in the text. The Supreme Court declared that the right to abortions existed in 1973. I’ve already pointed to the historical basis that justified that decision. While people may disagree with that decision, the Supreme Court has the authority to make such decisions. The current court is apparently trying to take away a constitutional right from people. A good comparison would be if the President pardoned some terrorist. People might think it was a terrible decision. But disagreeing with the decision doesn’t make the pardon invalid. The President has the authority to issue pardons and once they’re issued the person has been pardoned. A future President (or Congress or Supreme Court) does not have the authority to overturn the pardon because they didn’t like it and put the terrorist back in prison. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/172 "2022-05-03T15:34:22Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Heavens to murgatroyd! Susan Collins says Justices Kavanaugh and Gorsuch may have been _untruthful_ with her during their confirmation process! Why, I never would’ve thought that was possible! ![](https://c.tenor.com/SgK-2pYa_bEAAAAC/casablanca-shocked.gif) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/173 "2022-05-03T15:41:34Z")
This may be an opportunity to finally make political change. There should easily be enough voters that can send pro-choice candidates to Congress. That would allow for new legislation. The end of Roe v. Wade should be a rallying cry for Women’s reproductive rights. This may turn things around for Democrats in 2022 elections. Some Republicans may decide its in their interest to support pro-choice. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/174 "2022-05-03T15:42:29Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Susan Collins says Justices Kavanaugh and Gorsuch may have been _untruthful_ with her during their confirmation process! Why, I never would’ve thought that was possible! The thing is that they weren’t untruthful in their testimony— they made some bland statements about how precedents are important without giving any specifics on how they would rule on a _Roe_ challenge. Collins chose to interpret that as a commitment to upholding _Roe_ because it was politically expedient for her to do so. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/175 "2022-05-03T15:46:45Z")
Being disingenuous and weasely without technically lying is clearly something Collins is so unfamiliar with that she can’t comprehend what Kavanagh and Gorsuch could have done. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/176 "2022-05-03T15:51:41Z")
Nah, Collins met privately with both, and at least claimed to her voters that they considered Roe settled law. These were not on the record conversations like their official testimony, so we don’t know exactly what was said, but we do know what Collins believes she heard, or chose to say she heard. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/177 "2022-05-03T15:54:07Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > but we do know what Collins believes she heard, or chose to say she heard. “I can’t believe the leopard lied when I asked him if he’d eat my face!” ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/178 "2022-05-03T16:01:31Z")
Collins’s (alleged) read on Kavanaugh reminds me a bit of the disparity between GW Bush’s take, and McCain’s take, on Putin: Bush 43: > I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy. We had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul; a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country. McCain: > When I looked at Putin’s eyes I saw 3 letters: K G B. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/179 "2022-05-03T16:06:12Z")
People will often see and hear what they _want_ to see and hear. And that goes for Presidents and Senators and their voters. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/180 "2022-05-03T16:06:52Z")
At the very least the Democrats need to do everything they can to make 2022 and 2024 a national referendum on women’s right to choose. I think that’s a good issue, nationally and in state races, but I don’t know for sure if it will lead to wins. But they damn sure ought to try – this is a chance to turn a potentially very unpopular court decision into Democratic gains. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/181 "2022-05-03T16:09:02Z")
Collins has a history of hearing what she wants to hear. I remember during the Trump tax cut debate she said she was voting yes because she had a promise from Republican leadership to pass legislation funding the health care exchanges. The “promise” turned out to amount to “we’re really gonna give that idea a good look, Susan” and no bill was passed. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/182 "2022-05-03T16:11:12Z")
I think this was pretty well covered upthread, but … My concern (I haven’t looked to find the data) is that this might represent much more of a push strategy than a pull: [https://www.williamjoseph.com/understanding-push-pull-strategies/](https://www.williamjoseph.com/understanding-push-pull-strategies/) If the Democrats start with the supposition that this is The Single Most Animating Issue among their voters … and they’re wrong (see: inflation, health care, education, ‘kitchen table’ issues), then they effectively abdicate the election. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2022, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/183 "2022-05-03T16:11:13Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > I wonder how many republican women say they’re pro-life feeling safe doing so bc they feel there’s no actual chance Roe would get overturned; but then faced with an actual threat will secretly vote Dem at the polls? I think it’s far more likely they will secretly get abortions of they feel they need one. My mother was pregnant with her fourth child in the late 60s, when abortion was illegal. She was married, a stay at home mom, with no health risks. Her doctor also knew she’d been using birth control as she didn’t want another baby at that time. And the doctor told my mother that he could “take care of” the pregnancy. My mother was so shocked that she changed obstetricians, and hired on who said he’d favor the baby over here if it came down to that. But she could have had a safe illegal abortion for the asking. It would have been billed and recorded as an exploratory procedure. I really don’t think abortion is going to be unavailable for wealthy women with connections, or their daughters. Just for everyone else. > [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Heavens to murgatroyd! Susan Collins says Justices Kavanaugh and Gorsuch may have been _untruthful_ with her during their confirmation process! Why, I never would’ve thought that was possible! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862.md?page=10)