# Supreme Court: Same-sex marriage legal nation wide **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 26, 2015, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-legal-nation-wide/723532 "2015-06-26T14:19:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2015, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-legal-nation-wide/723532/161 "2015-06-27T14:18:30Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > One of those terrifying Aztec gods, of course. Naturally. Although, the reception always seems to die down after I chose my human sacrifice, and eat their heart. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2015, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-legal-nation-wide/723532/162 "2015-06-27T14:48:30Z")
Talk about doing a Happy Dance! Gay Happy Dance, of course. I’m wearing my “Have A Gay Day” T-shirt with the rainbow smiley face on it. Already gotten 7 compliments on it, and 12 smiles with thumbs up! The anti-abortion, anti-homosexual crew that hangs out at the local women’s health center on Saturdays asked 'So now is it okay for a man to marry a baboon?" I shot back “Is it okay for a grandfather to marry his 10 year old granddaughter? That’s an opposite sex marriage.” The clinic escorts and the police guard cheered! One told me “That was awesome.” ---
**Author:** ![missred](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/missred/32/14096_2.png) [@missred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/missred)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2015, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-legal-nation-wide/723532/163 "2015-06-27T14:56:05Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Good move by the Supreme Court. > > I’m wondering how this will affect the 2016 election. Some of the Republican contenders have already denounced the ruling. Would they try to make this an issue, do you think? Not that they can do anything to change the ruling, but they might _say_ they can while pandering to some of the more gullible of the party faithful. They’ll use it like Roe v. Wade to energize their base. At a national level, nothing will be done because its existence gives the something with which to commiserate with their constituents. At a state level, we could be in for many attempts to chip away at the ruling. Congratulations **fiveroptic**! Congratulations **panache**! And congratulations to anyone who now has the option to make their existing or future marriage legal. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2015, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-legal-nation-wide/723532/164 "2015-06-27T16:21:33Z")
Two years ago there was a brief discussion on the board about getting marriage equality for all 50 states. There was some debate about whether it would happen by the end of the decade, and here we are with 5 years to spare! > **[Marriage equality in Rhode Island and Delaware](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=690348)** > > I couldn’t be happier about this! Two more states in 5 days. Enlightenment is becoming reality. I’m predicting equality in all 50 states by the end of the decade. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2015, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-legal-nation-wide/723532/165 "2015-06-27T16:57:01Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Some of the Republican contenders have already denounced the ruling. Would they try to make this an issue, do you think? I really really hope they do. This will hurt them. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2015, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-legal-nation-wide/723532/166 "2015-06-27T17:01:35Z")
[This statement](https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/06/26/statement-vice-president-supreme-court-decision-obergefell-v-hodges) by Joe Biden is beautiful. A day later, I’m still just pleased as punch. Really really happy punch. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2015, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-legal-nation-wide/723532/167 "2015-06-27T17:17:09Z")
> [@Fiveroptic](#): > > I’m not sure you understand what a huge thing this is for those of us who have been denied the same right you’ve always taken for granted. I’ve waited 52 years for the day to come when I could legally marry the woman I love. You may have had to wait only long enough for the county clerk’s office to open the next morning. This is huge. > > Plus, remember that every time you “like” a public post on Facebook (that is, one that isn’t marked for “Friends Only”) it shows up on your newsfeed. You can “like” a public recipe and your friends are going to know it. I understand, and my comment was somewhat tongue-in-cheek. I remember the civil rights movement of the 60s. I worry about my grandson, as he’s young, idealistic, and headed off to Arizona to go to college. I plan to have a talk with him about how a SCOTUS decision doesn’t mean that suddenly everyone is going to abandon their prejudices, and to please protect himself when off campus. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2015, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-legal-nation-wide/723532/168 "2015-06-27T17:22:52Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I’m wondering how this will affect the 2016 election. Some of the Republican contenders have already denounced the ruling. Would they try to make this an issue, do you think? Not that they can do anything to change the ruling, but they might _say_ they can while pandering to some of the more gullible of the party faithful. What makes you think that they can’t? Justices Thomas and, well, I can’t remember if it’s Scalia or Alito, have make it quite clear that they are ready to “reconsider” Roe v. Wade; why not “reconsider” this ruling as well? > [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > The anti-abortion, anti-homosexual crew that hangs out at the local women’s health center on Saturdays asked 'So now is it okay for a man to marry a baboon?" I shot back “Is it okay for a grandfather to marry his 10 year old granddaughter? That’s an opposite sex marriage.” The clinic escorts and the police guard cheered! One told me “That was awesome.” They should have responded, “I don’t know about 10, but what if the granddaughter is 18 - or, for that matter, if he wants to marry both of his 18-year-old twin granddaughters? They’re both consenting adults, and marriage between willing adults is now a fundamental human right, apparently.” ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2015, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-legal-nation-wide/723532/169 "2015-06-27T17:37:55Z")
> [@That\_Don\_Guy](#): > > They should have responded, “I don’t know about 10, but what if the granddaughter is 18 - or, for that matter, if he wants to marry both of his 18-year-old twin granddaughters? They’re both consenting adults, and marriage between willing adults is now a fundamental human right, apparently.” That doesn’t matter, (despite insest being illegal in a lot of states, and gay relationships are not), her retort to the anti-SSM Sippery Slope argument was to shine a light on not only is the slope they’re claiming is slippery is not only bone dry but not even a slope. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2015, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-legal-nation-wide/723532/170 "2015-06-27T17:43:19Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > That doesn’t matter, (despite insest being illegal in a lot of states, and gay relationships are not), her retort to the anti-SSM Sippery Slope argument was to shine a light on not only is the slope they’re claiming is slippery is not only bone dry but not even a slope. You know how terrifying those flat plains with good traction are. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2015, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-legal-nation-wide/723532/171 "2015-06-27T18:11:37Z")
Many, many congrats from Germany! You know, I have many beefs with American politics and societal issues, and my relationship to the U.S. is a love/hate thing, but sometimes, despite all your religious hang-ups, you do the right and proper thing before our oh-so secular country. The thing is, the man on the street here doesn’t have any religious problem with SSM, but the influence of the Catholic church and cleric is sufficient for one of the ruling parties that still carries the Christian label, the CDU, to shy away from granting the rights to gays that you now do. Shows one more time that real separation of state and church can trump a wide-spread secularism of the people when there’s still too much political influence of the old religious cadres. Often, people here complain about too much American societal and cultural influence (“Must we adapt everything that comes from America? Oh the humanity!”), but this time I hope, together with the Irish referendum, this will lead to the necessary changes in SSM politics soon here. And not to forget, to all the people in this thread who can marry now: have a nice wedding and wonderful marriage :). ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2015, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-legal-nation-wide/723532/172 "2015-06-27T19:08:49Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > You know how terrifying those flat plains with good traction are. Yes, but much less so than those frictionless inclined planes that people imagine existing. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2015, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-legal-nation-wide/723532/173 "2015-06-27T20:04:18Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > The anti-abortion, anti-homosexual crew that hangs out at the local women’s health center on Saturdays asked 'So now is it okay for a man to marry a baboon?" The correct response to this is “Someone married you.” ---
**Author:** ![Anne\_Neville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Anne\_Neville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anne_Neville)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2015, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-legal-nation-wide/723532/174 "2015-06-27T22:35:18Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Seems also like some of them really believe that the this loving compassionate God they always talk about, well, He has this habit of raining hellfire and brimstone down on entire communities and entire societies for tolerating the “sins” of the few among them. And the funny thing is, the sins that most of these people seem to think will provoke this kind of reaction are generally sexual ones. Not things like predatory lending, wealth inequality, mistreating strangers, or in general not treating others the way you would like to be treated. ---
**Author:** ![Iggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iggy/32/3364_2.png) [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2015, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-legal-nation-wide/723532/175 "2015-06-27T22:49:23Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > No matter how hard I try, I cannot grasp the argument that somehow SSM attacks someone else’s “religious freedom.” Usually for controversial issues, I can at least understand some of the counterpoints—where the person I disagree with is coming from—but this one? This one rings about as true as the War on Christmas. The arguement may be more in line with [Bernstein v. Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association](http://www.adfmedia.org/News/PRDetail/7717) , a legal case from New Jersey. A same-sex couple sued a Methodist church which[refused to rent them church owned property](http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/02/nyregion/in-ocean-grove-methodist-stronghold-a-dialogue-on-gay-rights.html?_r=0) for a marriage ceremony. The New Jersey court ruled in favor of the couple. So the question will be settled, over a series of future lawsuits, what exactly is the acceptable boundary line when religious practice clash with same sex marriage rights. The court ruled that the church must rent out its seaside pavilion for a marriage which the church does not condone. Could a church be forced to rent its chapel or synagogue? Does it matter if that religious organization limits use of the building to only its enrolled members? Can a minister, rabbi, or imam be forced to officiate a same sex marriage since the religious officiant’s ability to sanction a marriage puts him/her in the role of a state official for that purpose? We’ll eventually see cases to address similar questions, and meanwhile a lot of rabblerousing about enacting laws to favor the religious liberty not to be forced to be involved in such ceremonies. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2015, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-legal-nation-wide/723532/176 "2015-06-27T23:56:41Z")
If you rent it out to the public, you lose your discretion as to who you can rent it out to. This goes for off-church properties or the church property itself, if you’re in the habit of renting it out for the use of non-congregants. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2015, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-legal-nation-wide/723532/177 "2015-06-27T23:59:30Z")
> [@Iggy](#): > > The arguement may be more in line with [Bernstein v. Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association](http://www.adfmedia.org/News/PRDetail/7717) , a legal case from New Jersey. > > A same-sex couple sued a Methodist church which[refused to rent them church owned property](http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/02/nyregion/in-ocean-grove-methodist-stronghold-a-dialogue-on-gay-rights.html?_r=0) for a marriage ceremony. The New Jersey court ruled in favor of the couple. > > So the question will be settled, over a series of future lawsuits, what exactly is the acceptable boundary line when religious practice clash with same sex marriage rights. Same-sex marriage being legal does not prohibit businesses from discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation. States that prohibit that discrimination continue to do so (like New Jersey, which did not have same-sex marriage in 2012) and states that don’t will probably, sadly, mostly continue to not. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2015, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-legal-nation-wide/723532/178 "2015-06-28T01:28:25Z")
> [@Indyellen](#): > > My very conservative nephew has already thrown the polygamy and/or pets strawman on one of my celebratory posts. I am trying very hard to ignore it. The “pets” thing is obviously nonsense but, realistically speaking, this very likely _is_ the first of many, many legal cases that will be used to attempt to legalize polygamy. It’s a very, very long road and certainly public opinion is not remotely in support of polygamous marriages, but the lawsuits will come. As indeed will the ones about incest (after all, the state concerns about genetic problems don’t apply if two brothers marry, right?) and various other ones involving consenting adults which the general public (myself included in some instances, no doubt) will find distasteful. And, actually, that’s a good thing. The burden of demonstrating that a freedom should be withheld should fall on the state, and if the state cannot demonstrate a harm or come up with a more compelling reason than “it’s icky”, maybe whatever-it-is shouldn’t be illegal. These things must be hammered out in the legal system in order to ensure we are not causing misery to some for no public benefit. Freedom. It’s messy but it’s worth fighting to do right. > [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > That disappoints me too. > I LOVE watching lesbians make out I know you’re joking but, generally speaking, can we not do this? While I’m sure some lesbians are exhibitionists, by and large they’re not kissing each other for the benefit of straight men watching them. > [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > “Something exists in the world that is contrary to my interpretation of my religion’s teachings, therefore I Am Oppressed.” > > Wail. > > Gnash teeth. > > Curtain. You left out “Rend raiments.” ---
**Author:** ![computergeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e56c9b/32.png) [@computergeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/computergeek)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2015, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-legal-nation-wide/723532/179 "2015-06-28T03:33:49Z")
The Right Wing may rail about this for some time to come, but I think they’ll lose in the end and won’t be able to make it a lasting wedge issue like they have with abortion. Many think abortion harms the fetus, while no one can really point to harm done when two consenting adults love each other and want to get married. They might try “think of the children!” rhetoric, but gays were adopting and raising families before marriage for them become legal, so it seems to be a non-issue. ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2015, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-legal-nation-wide/723532/180 "2015-06-28T03:41:34Z")
I keep finding myself randomly smiling and giggling than for no other reason that I’m living in a country where my marriage would be equal to anyone elses. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-legal-nation-wide/723532.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-legal-nation-wide/723532.md?page=10)