# Supreme Court says Constitution protects right to carry a gun outside the home **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 23, 2022, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692 "2022-06-23T19:03:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/61 "2022-06-24T17:30:50Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > ow that actual issues are once again issues maybe people should become concerned and participate in the process. Elect people that will actually run on the issues and not fear mongering. The problem is, is that no matter how much _I_ do that, I can’t get the party that runs on fearmongering to do the same. And unfortunately, fear is a powerful motivator. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/62 "2022-06-24T17:31:47Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Ironically enough, that’s exactly what gun owners have been doing. While of course, depending on court decisions to protect your interests. That’s where the real irony of your statement lies. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/63 "2022-06-24T17:34:31Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > It’s defined by any court that pursues the interests of its members at the expense of the interests of the people of the nation. That’s still pretty hard to _define_. You are saying that the SCOTUS’s made this decision for their own personal benefit? > [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Just say no. Yeah, I don’t think it’s quite that simple. Last time I saw someone tell a judge “no” they got dragged away in handcuffs. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/64 "2022-06-24T17:37:12Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > You are saying that the SCOTUS’s made this decision for their own personal benefit? Well, yeah. They had to lie to congress to get appointed, so… > [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Yeah, I don’t think it’s quite that simple. Last time I saw someone tell a judge “no” they got dragged away in handcuffs. I don’t think the Supreme Court has any handcuffs. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/65 "2022-06-24T17:40:50Z")
Strong disagree with **Martin\_Hyde** and **GraysonCarlisle** about states simply disregarding the Supreme Court when they don’t like the decision. If I were President in the face of such a crisis, I would sic the National Guard on such rogue states. Like Eisenhower did at Little Rock. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/66 "2022-06-24T17:41:54Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > Strong disagree with **Martin\_Hyde** and **GraysonCarlisle** about states simply disregarding the Supreme Court when they don’t like the decision. If I were President in the face of such a crisis, I would sic the National Guard on such rogue states. And if I were president, I would direct the Executive branch to not enforce the court’s edicts. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/67 "2022-06-24T17:42:52Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > They had to lie to congress to get appointed That wasn’t the question. Are you saying that they went through all the trouble of becoming a SCOTUS, including lying to congress, so that they could carry their guns outside the home? If not, then they didn’t do it for their own benefit. That doesn’t mean I agree with their decision, but if we are neutering the court, it seems like it should be over more than just disagreeing with their decision. > [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > I don’t think the Supreme Court has any handcuffs. I think that [this guy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshal_of_the_United_States_Supreme_Court#:~:text=(2001%E2%80%932020)-,Gail,Curley%20(2021%E2%80%93present)) does. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/68 "2022-06-24T17:43:14Z")
And if the Congress was of my mind, you would be impeached for dereliction of duty. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/69 "2022-06-24T17:44:35Z")
So, you think that, for the last 50 years, abortion should have been illegal in most of the states of the union? Should the voting rights act have been enforced over the states that were habitually disenfranchising minority voters? ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/70 "2022-06-24T17:49:09Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > That wasn’t the question. Are you saying that they went through all the trouble of becoming a SCOTUS, including lying to congress, so that they could carry their guns outside the home? > > If not, then they didn’t do it for their own benefit. They did it to promote their own personal desires, which is exactly the same thing. Look at Thomas’s list posted above of what else he thinks needs to be abolished, like gay marriage and contraception. > [@](#): > > That doesn’t mean I agree with their decision, but if we are neutering the court, it seems like it should be over more than just disagreeing with their decision. This is the Trump court. One quarter were appointed by a treasonous president and confirmed by a treasonous senate. They were put on the court for the sole purpose of disregarding every bit of legal precedence to implement as law things that the vast majority of the citizens would never accept from their legislators. > [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > I think that [this guy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshal_of_the_United_States_Supreme_Court#:~:text=(2001%E2%80%932020)-,Gail,Curley%20(2021%E2%80%93present)) does. A glorified security guard. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/71 "2022-06-24T17:49:17Z")
I mean, you could then pass any executive order you wanted to. You could ban speech, guns, quarter troops in people’s homes, pull people off the street and detain them without trial indefinitely. And there would be no recourse. Dangerous waters you are treading there. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/72 "2022-06-24T17:50:42Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > So, you think that, for the last 50 years, abortion should have been illegal in most of the states of the union? > > Should the voting rights act have been enforced over the states that were habitually disenfranchising minority voters? Apples and oranges. Those courts were legitimate and acted on the basis of the law. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/73 "2022-06-24T17:52:33Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I mean, you could then pass any executive order you wanted to. You could ban speech, guns, quarter troops in people’s homes, pull people off the street and detain them without trial indefinitely. And there would be no recourse. > > Dangerous waters you are treading there.  I could, I guess, until the people decided that I was illegitimate and removed me. The point of Just say no is to force the court to either return to legitimacy or fade into irrelevancy. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/74 "2022-06-24T17:55:08Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > They did it to promote their own personal desires, which is exactly the same thing. Look at Thomas’s list posted above of what else he thinks needs to be abolished, like gay marriage and contraception. Does it make any difference if they believe that it’s best for the country? I desire what’s best for the country, does following that desire make me corrupt? > [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > This is the Trump court. One quarter were appointed by a treasonous president and confirmed by a treasonous senate. They were put on the court for the sole purpose of disregarding every bit of legal precedence to implement as law things that the vast majority of the citizens would never accept from their legislators. I’ll agree that some of the justices are political hacks that were put on there for the purpose of changing the direction of the court. I don’t know that I agree that that delegitimizes the entire concept of a judicial system. > [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > A glorified security guard. Who is also commander of the Supreme Court police. But, you are, I suppose using the hypothetical that you are POTUS in this situation where you are telling judges “No.” So, that’s great when you are president, but when your political rival wins, and arrests you without due process and subjects you to torture, and the courts tell him to let you go, you will be happy about him being able to simply say, “No.” Right? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/75 "2022-06-24T17:58:34Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Apples and oranges. Those courts were legitimate and acted on the basis of the law. While I agree with the decisions of those courts, and disagree with some of the more recent court’s decisions, whether or not you agree with the decisions shouldn’t determine whether the court is legitamate. > [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > I could, I guess, until the people decided that I was illegitimate and removed me. Eh, anyone who opposes you, just throw in jail. Torture them a bit. They’ll learn to accept you. > [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > The point of Just say no is to force the court to either return to legitimacy And how does it do that? Do they realize the error of their ways and resign in disgrace? > [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > or fade into irrelevancy. Yeah, that would be the outcome, and we no longer have a functional judicial system. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/76 "2022-06-24T17:59:47Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Does it make any difference if they believe that it’s best for the country? I desire what’s best for the country, does following that desire make me corrupt? No, it makes no difference. I don’t know of any despot who thought Hey! Maybe somebody else’s ideas would work better. Would you follow those desires when practically everybody else was telling you no? > [@](#): > > Who is also commander of the Supreme Court police. Who are glorified security guards. > [@](#): > > So, that’s great when you are president, but when your political rival wins, and arrests you without due process and subjects you to torture, and the courts tell him to let you go, you will be happy about him being able to simply say, “No.” Right? It is not the job of our leaders to worry more about their personal comfort than about the people of the nation. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/77 "2022-06-24T18:09:59Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Well, yeah. They had to lie to congress to get appointed, so… Cite? ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/78 "2022-06-24T18:14:38Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > > [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > > > Well, yeah. They had to lie to congress to get appointed, so… > > Cite? [Here’s one](https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3477197-jayapal-conservative-justices-lied-under-oath-about-views-on-roe/). I wrongly assumed that it was common knowledge, especially Kavanaugh’s > [@](#): > > “It is settled as a precedent of the Supreme Court, entitled the respect under principles of stare decisis,” Kavanaugh said during his hearings, NPR reported in a piece revisiting some of the conservative justice’s comments on Roe following Monday’s leak. “The Supreme Court has recognized the right to abortion since the 1973 Roe v. Wade case. It has reaffirmed it many times.” ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/79 "2022-06-24T18:17:21Z")
And I just realized that I’m not posting to the thread I thought I was posting to. Still, it doesn’t change my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/80 "2022-06-24T18:17:43Z")
~~Like, are we going to need a separate topic for all of these “they lied about _Roe_ in the confirmation hearings”? “cite?”~~ ninja’d ~Max [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692.md?page=5)