# Supreme Court says Constitution protects right to carry a gun outside the home **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 23, 2022, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692 "2022-06-23T19:03:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/101 "2022-06-24T20:59:23Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > The new bipartisan bill does “work on that”. It should cut down on “strawman dealers” the leading source of guns to criminals. Sure, lets see if it passes before we count our bullets. > [@Lumpy](#): > > You don’t believe there really is such a thing as a legitimate self-defense shooting, do you? Sure I do. But I also don’t live in a black and white world. By the nature of your question, I take it you don’t believe there was anyone who ever claimed self defense when it wasn’t? ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/102 "2022-06-24T21:08:10Z")
Lawyers who won Supreme Court case split with law firm over gun clients: > **[Opinion | You Won Your Gun Case. You’re Fired.](https://www.wsj.com/articles/you-won-your-gun-case-youre-fired-11656024233)** > > Kirkland & Ellis tells Paul Clement and a partner to dump their Second Amendment clients. They refuse and resign. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/103 "2022-06-24T22:02:13Z")
A question: one site I read claims that the decision eliminates “intermediate scrutiny” of gun cases, and sets that future gun cases be considered under “strict scrutiny”. Is this so? If so it sets an enormous precedent far beyond the subject of carry permits. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/104 "2022-06-24T22:11:30Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Sure, lets see if it passes before we count our bullets. It has passed, it is waiting for Biden’s signature. > **[Bipartisan gun control law sent for Biden’s signature after House vote](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/24/bipartisan-gun-control-law-house-vote-biden)** > > Fourteen Republicans vote with majority for first major gun reform legislation in nearly 30 years # _Bipartisan gun control law sent for Biden’s signature after House vote_ _Fourteen Republicans vote with majority for first major gun reform legislation in nearly 30 years_ Also see my previous cite. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/105 "2022-06-24T22:19:38Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > It has passed, it is waiting for Biden’s signature. > > [Bipartisan gun control law sent for Biden’s signature after House vote | US gun control | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/24/bipartisan-gun-control-law-house-vote-biden) Nice. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Also see my previous cite. Admittedly, I didn’t actually click on that cite, and only saw the part that said that it was passed by the lower house. So, what are the chances that it gets upheld by this SCOTUS? ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/106 "2022-06-24T22:51:57Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > > [@PhillyGuy](#): > > > > May issue states are/were safer. Not perfectly safe, but safer. > > Not according to RAND, and they compared many studies. I was thinking safe against violent death, whether suicide or homicide. If you just look at homicide, as in the RAND study, you get states with high suicide and below-average homicide (Wyoming and Montana) counted as safe, while may-issue states below average for both homicide and suicide (Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, and, most years, California) don’t get full credit. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/107 "2022-06-25T00:15:36Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > So, what are the chances that it gets upheld by this SCOTUS? 100%. Nothing scary in there, it was bipartisan. > [@DrDeth](#): > > if you were the authority in a may issue state, which would you allow? > > 1. I like carrying a gun, in case of a Antifa uprising. > 2. I am a diamond merchant, and there have been some fellow merchants killed recently, their diamonds stolen. > 3. I have left my abusive husband, and I fear for my life. > 4. I have donated large sums to your election campaigns. > 5. I am a Hollywood big-shot and the paparazzi have been harassing me. No one wants to take me up on this? To give my answers, only 2& 3. However, in many CA counties the answer is 4&5. Does anyone think that last is okay? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/108 "2022-06-25T00:46:22Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > _The bill, called The Bipartisan Safer Communities Act, passed the lower chamber by a vote of 234-193, with 14 Republicans joining all the Democrat_s. Right. The zero I quoted seems to hae been on the procedural to advance to final vote (this deal with voting up to four times for the same thing is losing its quaintness). The GOP side took advantage that there is no filibuster in the House to posture. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/109 "2022-06-25T01:33:16Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > > [@DrDeth](#): > > > > if you were the authority in a may issue state, which would you allow? > > > > 1. I like carrying a gun, in case of a Antifa uprising. > > 2. I am a diamond merchant, and there have been some fellow merchants killed recently, their diamonds stolen. > > 3. I have left my abusive husband, and I fear for my life. > > 4. I have donated large sums to your election campaigns. > > 5. I am a Hollywood big-shot and the paparazzi have been harassing me. > > No one wants to take me up on this? To give my answers, only 2& 3. However, in many CA counties the answer is 4&5. Does anyone think that last is okay? Are you debating yourself? ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/110 "2022-06-25T11:30:06Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > 1. I have donated large sums to your election campaigns. > 2. I am a Hollywood big-shot and the paparazzi have been harassing me. > > No one wants to take me up on this? To give my answers, only 2& 3. However, in many CA counties the answer is 4&5. Re 4, this is bribery. Do you have a list of the many counties, and of the people in prison for that bribery? Criminals often get away with crimes, but the way we would know that this is happening would I think be the convictions. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/111 "2022-06-25T13:42:56Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Are you debating yourself? This is how I’ve spent a good chunk of the past couple years. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/112 "2022-06-25T15:18:05Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Lawyers who won Supreme Court case split with law firm over gun clients: > > [You Won Your Gun Case. You’re Fired. - WSJ](https://www.wsj.com/articles/you-won-your-gun-case-youre-fired-11656024233) Six years ago when they hired him, and when he said his retaining of his gun clients was a condition of his joining the firm, it made good business sense for the firm. Today with this reversal, the firm is saying that it makes good business sense for them to let him and his clients go. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/113 "2022-06-25T20:34:26Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Re 4, this is bribery. Do you have a list of the many counties, and of the people in prison for that bribery? Sadly campaign contributions are generally not considered bribes. > **[The High Court: When is a campaign contribution a bribe?](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-high-court-when-is-a-campaign-contribution-a-bribe/2012/08/12/68cdd94e-e2f9-11e1-a25e-15067bb31849_story.html)** > > THE HIGH COURT | Supreme Court guidance is thin with the question of when a donation becomes something illegal, a debate that shows no signs of fading in this election year. So if your contribution was made on a specific deal that you get a CCW, it could be. But if no strings attached, other than a general sense the official may bestow a favor, it is not. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2022, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/114 "2022-06-26T14:17:22Z")
And that an official may just generally favor a contributor, a political ally, a professional colleague or just someone they like, may be considered morally wrong or even be penalized as an ethics violation or misuse of office, depending on how egregiously done, generally it is not “bribery” unless it’s specific exchange of consideration for value. If we **expect** officials almost as a given to show such favoritism, that is a much broader, deeper issue than what we have at hand. ---
**Author:** ![Bootb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bootb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootb)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2022, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/115 "2022-06-26T23:11:08Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Council Speaker Adrienne Adams said she plans to pass a non-binding resolution that would call on Albany to ban guns from all government buildings, schools, hospitals, places of worship, parks, daycares and cemeteries and other facilities — and establish a 1,000 foot buffer around those places where guns would also be banned. I wonder if she’s been to any cemeteries recently–most of the people there are already dead. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2022, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/116 "2022-06-26T23:55:08Z")
> [@Bootb](#): > > I wonder if she’s been to any cemeteries recently–most of the people there are already dead. I presume the rationale is anywhere gatherings of (live) people take place. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/117 "2022-06-28T16:36:27Z")
> [@Bootb](#): > > I wonder if she’s been to any cemeteries recently–most of the people there are already dead. It’s naked pandering for the zombie vote. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/118 "2022-06-28T17:57:20Z")
> [@Bootb](#): > > I wonder if she’s been to any cemeteries recently–most of the people there are already dead. [And the ones who aren’t are getting shot.](https://www.npr.org/2022/06/02/1102774766/wisconsin-cemetery-shooting-multiple-victims) Seriously, dude, that was a bit tasteless. Had you just forgotten about the recent Wisconsin (and [Kentucky](https://www.wkyt.com/2022/06/04/developing-heavy-police-presence-near-lexington-hotel-church/)) funeral shootings when you wrote that? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/119 "2022-06-28T18:08:03Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Seriously, dude, that was a bit tasteless. Had you just forgotten about the recent Wisconsin (and [Kentucky](https://www.wkyt.com/2022/06/04/developing-heavy-police-presence-near-lexington-hotel-church/)) funeral shootings when you wrote that? Not to speak for **bootb** , but this is the first I’d heard of them. Did they get much national coverage? A shooting that only leaves one or two people dead doesn’t sound like the sort of story that would get a lot of attention outside the immediate geographic area where it happened. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692/120 "2022-06-28T18:15:24Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > A shooting that only leaves one or two people dead doesn’t sound like the sort of story that would get a lot of attention outside the immediate geographic area where it happened. Not in the US where such shootings are extremely common, at least. But these days I just take it for granted that any environment or locality that’s mentioned in proposed gun-control legislation is an environment or locality where multiple instances of gun violence have recently occurred. Haven’t been wrong so far. And I assumed, perhaps wrongly, that anybody who made a joke about it being unnecessary to worry about gun violence in a particular environment or locality would have checked for relevant recent shootings there. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-says-constitution-protects-right-to-carry-a-gun-outside-the-home/966692.md?page=7)