# Sure you can come to the dance, but only after I inspect your panties. WTF?? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 30, 2002, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sure-you-can-come-to-the-dance-but-only-after-i-inspect-your-panties-wtf/106561 "2002-04-30T21:54:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![pendgwen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3da27b/32.png) [@pendgwen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pendgwen)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sure-you-can-come-to-the-dance-but-only-after-i-inspect-your-panties-wtf/106561/41 "2002-05-01T19:04:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wring \* > \*\*actually, **Bob** , it would make ‘fucking difference’, since to many removal or not removal of the bra has a specific role in the fore play… \*\* If they are at school dance they should have enough chaperones around to ensure that there’s no heavy petting going on. The kids can wait until after the dance for that. And as the recent bra-less women thread demonstrated not everyone wears a bra. Going bra-less is not an accurate indicator of intent to engage in foreplay. Provided the girls shirts weren’t see-through I agree with **Bob** that it doesn’t make a difference. Oh, and if any teacher had ever grabbed my shirt and pulled it down to look at my breasts no matter what the excuse I would have screamed sexual assault. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Elvis\_Rojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@El\_Elvis\_Rojo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Elvis_Rojo)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sure-you-can-come-to-the-dance-but-only-after-i-inspect-your-panties-wtf/106561/42 "2002-05-01T21:22:25Z")
I remember one of my dates at a highschool dance had one of those strapless “I-need-to-superglue-my-cups-to-my-boobs” bras, and no one had a problem with that. And I went to a Catholic High School. Kinda makes me glad no one ever checked me, all those days I went free ballin’ back in the day. Is it just me, or are school regulations getting more and more stupid as time goes on. I undertand stricter enforcement of no guns/knives/deadly weapons and such in schools, but lately, it seems people can be expelled for the simplest thing. Recently, a child was expelled from school because he was accused of saying something Satanic. There was no investigation into it until a week after the kid was kicked out, and it turns out, it wasn’t even that kid who was making the statements. And what does it matter if someone is talking stupid shit. It’s funny to see students persecuted for the stupidest infractions, and then to see teachers and administrators get away with shit like this. Maybe more people should consider home schooling. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sure-you-can-come-to-the-dance-but-only-after-i-inspect-your-panties-wtf/106561/43 "2002-05-01T21:32:51Z")
**pendgwen** - Um. I was joking. ---
**Author:** ![pendgwen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3da27b/32.png) [@pendgwen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pendgwen)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sure-you-can-come-to-the-dance-but-only-after-i-inspect-your-panties-wtf/106561/44 "2002-05-01T22:14:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wring \* > \*\ ***pendgwen** - > > Um. I was joking. \*\* Wow. I can’t believe I totally missed that pun the first time around. Especially considereing how humor in my family relies heavily on puns. Well, I feel stupid. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sure-you-can-come-to-the-dance-but-only-after-i-inspect-your-panties-wtf/106561/45 "2002-05-01T22:21:29Z")
No prob. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sure-you-can-come-to-the-dance-but-only-after-i-inspect-your-panties-wtf/106561/46 "2002-05-01T22:36:57Z")
Local coverage of the story [here](http://www.uniontrib.com/news/northcounty/20020501-9999_1mi1rbhigh.html). > [@](#): > > Although Wilson and school Principal Paul Gentle did not return phone calls for comment, parents who met with Gentle yesterday said he assured the group that Wilson is “very sorry for what she did.” She will remain on her job while the incident is being investigated, Gentle told parents. > > Parents have been told that part of the motivation for the inspections was an incident involving partial nudity at the dance last year. The dance, called “MORP” – “prom” spelled backward – is the only informal dance at the school and is considered the wildest of the year, students said. > > Students typically dress in costume to fit a theme, which this year was “Blast From the Past.” Last year, some students wore loincloths for the “Jungle Fever” theme. Things got out of hand, students and parents said, and one girl took off her underwear and revealed herself on the dance floor. > [@](#): > > During the dance, at least two people tried to stop Wilson’s examinations. > > Bisesto, the police officer, said he approached Assistant Principal Michael Mosgrove and asked him to talk to Wilson about her behavior. Bisesto said he does not know if Mosgrove spoke with Wilson, but he said the examinations did not stop. > > A member of the school’s student government, Michael Barber, said he approached a teacher at the dance, asking him to talk to Wilson, but the teacher declined. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2002, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sure-you-can-come-to-the-dance-but-only-after-i-inspect-your-panties-wtf/106561/47 "2002-05-01T23:14:27Z")
Personally, if they had done that to me, I would have let them, walked away…then MOONED the entire dance! It would serve them right! ---
**Author:** ![Cruktar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d9b06d/32.png) [@Cruktar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cruktar)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2002, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sure-you-can-come-to-the-dance-but-only-after-i-inspect-your-panties-wtf/106561/48 "2002-05-02T04:22:34Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by blur…_ > I wondered that too. After thinking about it, I realized these are kids. They are taught from a young age to listen to and trust their teachers. They probably felt uncomfortable doing it, but didn’t realize at first just how wrong it was. I was thinking somewhere along these lines, but I still can’t quite wrap my mind around the idea that these girls would allow teachers to lift their skirts and inspect them for thong underwear. Being prematurely cynical, I have a hard time finding the majority of my teachers anything above marginally trustworthy. What kind of policeman did they get for this dance, Andy Griffith? I’m amazed that the officer would only request that someone else speak to the Vice Principal about her behavior when something that is obviously very wrong was going on. And people wonder why my generation distrusts authority. ---
**Author:** ![Hamadryad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6de8d8/32.png) [@Hamadryad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamadryad)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2002, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sure-you-can-come-to-the-dance-but-only-after-i-inspect-your-panties-wtf/106561/49 "2002-05-02T12:23:26Z")
[The vice-principal has been suspended, pending an investigation.](http://www.uniontrib.com/news/northcounty/20020501--n75890.html) ---
**Author:** ![More\_Cowbell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@More\_Cowbell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/More_Cowbell)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2002, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sure-you-can-come-to-the-dance-but-only-after-i-inspect-your-panties-wtf/106561/50 "2002-05-02T17:55:01Z")
[According to one of the parents, Alane Garvik](http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=573&e=3&cid=573&u=/nm/20020502/od_nm/panties_dc_2), the girls were not “investigated” on an equal basis. > [@](#): > > “They said: 'You are overweight so I wouldn’t expect you to be wearing something like (thong panties),” Garvik said. “One girl was told she was ‘matronly’ and since she was ‘matronly’ they didn’t expect her to be wearing something like that.” So did the principal just pick out girls she thought were attractive?! What the fuck did she mean by “matronly” then?! This story just keeps getting more sick and wrong. ---
**Author:** ![stolichnaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bcef8e/32.png) [@stolichnaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stolichnaya)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2002, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sure-you-can-come-to-the-dance-but-only-after-i-inspect-your-panties-wtf/106561/51 "2002-05-02T19:48:44Z")
I join in the general condemnation, but to add… > [@](#): > > My daughter has already told me she doesn’t want to go back to Rancho Bernardo if (Wilson) is still there." “She feels violated,” Garvik said. “She feels like somebody was messing with her private parts. All those boys there seeing her butt and her thong.” Her poor daughter. This is the kind of thing my mom would say, if I was a teenage girl in the same situation. ::Cringe:: ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2002, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sure-you-can-come-to-the-dance-but-only-after-i-inspect-your-panties-wtf/106561/52 "2002-05-02T19:52:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jjimm \* > \*\*My old English teacher went to an all-girls Convent high school in Birmingham, England in the eighties. They were excused swimming lessons if they were menstruating. But in order to prove this, they had to let the nuns check. :eek: \*\* “I am afraid I can’t go swimming today, Sister. I am suffering from uncontrollable flatulence. Wanna check me?” Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Wikkit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c0e974/32.png) [@Wikkit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wikkit)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2002, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sure-you-can-come-to-the-dance-but-only-after-i-inspect-your-panties-wtf/106561/53 "2002-05-03T05:15:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Shodan \* > **"I am afraid I can’t go swimming today, Sister. I am suffering from uncontrollable flatulence. Wanna check me?"** I’d think the extra buoyancy would be advantageous… Seriously, though, why are there so many instances of administrators not thinking at all about what they are doing? If they had problems last year, perhaps they should find a way to prevent the same problem this year without trying to get themselves sued… ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2002, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sure-you-can-come-to-the-dance-but-only-after-i-inspect-your-panties-wtf/106561/54 "2002-05-03T06:18:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SPOOFE \* > **Clearly, thongs represent a clear and present danger to the continued well-being of the United States…** Next they’ll be wearing thongs in a crowded theater. And for those of you who are wondering what the hell the administration at this school is thinking, I’ll give you a little example of administrative prowess at work: My wife teaches first grade. One of her students was recommended (by my wife) for her district’s remedial program. The kid took the tests and failed miserably. However, she also took an IQ test - and completely bombed it as well. Sounds like she needs help, right? Wrong - because her **IQ is too low**. According to the district, the kid is doomed to failure anyway - so why bother to help? Crap like this sickens those of us on the outside and crushes the spirits of those who actually want to educate children. My wife always wanted to be a teacher. She’s finishing her third year and now desperatly wants to get the hell out. Anyway, we now return you to your topic, already in progress… ---
**Author:** ![Fionn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Fionn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fionn)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2002, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sure-you-can-come-to-the-dance-but-only-after-i-inspect-your-panties-wtf/106561/55 "2002-05-03T16:15:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Slacker \* > \*\* > My wife teaches first grade. One of her students was recommended (by my wife) for her district’s remedial program. The kid took the tests and failed miserably. However, she also took an IQ test - and completely bombed it as well. Sounds like she needs help, right? Wrong - because her **IQ is too low**. According to the district, the kid is doomed to failure anyway - so why bother to help? > \*\* :eek: I hate to continue the hijack, but what did the district end up doing with this student? ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2002, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sure-you-can-come-to-the-dance-but-only-after-i-inspect-your-panties-wtf/106561/56 "2002-05-03T17:42:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Fionn \* > \*\* > > :eek: > > I hate to continue the hijack, but what did the district end up doing with this student? \*\* AFAIK she’s still in my wife’s class with the rest of the students. Not doing too well, of course. ---
**Author:** ![shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ab992/32.png) [@shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shrew)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2002, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sure-you-can-come-to-the-dance-but-only-after-i-inspect-your-panties-wtf/106561/57 "2002-05-04T03:29:35Z")
ARGH. While I certainly will not dare to defend this woman’s atrocious behavior, I must throw out what seems to me to be a problem with the situation that no one seems to take seriously. Why are junior high girls/high school girls wearing thongs in the first place? Free country, yada yada yada, thongs are popular right now, blah blah blah…who the FUCK buys their fourteen year old daughter THONG UNDERWEAR? I cannot tell you how many parents I’ve had to call to ask, “If you’re going to allow your daughter to wear thong underwear, would you please make sure she wears pants high enough to cover them or a shirt long enough to meet her pants?” Thong underwear disrupts class, distracts other students, and generally is too sexually provocative for high school. It’s their right to wear them, and the administrator was completely out of line, but the whole thong phenomenon truly does trouble me. High school girls need to focus on their schoolwork, not on how many guys are getting a hard-on just by seeing their panties. I guess I’m just old-fashioned. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2002, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sure-you-can-come-to-the-dance-but-only-after-i-inspect-your-panties-wtf/106561/58 "2002-05-11T12:07:25Z")
I’m with you, **shrew**. And we have an [update](http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/05/10/thong.check.reut/index.html): it was all about safety. > [@](#): > > This was a safety issue, it was not a choice of underwear issue, [vice principal Rita] Wilson told the station. “And that’s where there has been a misinterpretation.” > [@](#): > > Wilson said her efforts to control the “freak” dancing in the dark, frantic environment of a school dance had been unsuccessful in the past, so she turned to making sure that the girls at least were not getting exposed. > > “That’s really what I wanted,” she said. “If they were going to ‘freak,’ at least their bottoms were going to be covered.” OK, so _she_ thought it was a safety issue. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![cagiva650](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@cagiva650](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cagiva650)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2002, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sure-you-can-come-to-the-dance-but-only-after-i-inspect-your-panties-wtf/106561/59 "2002-05-11T21:55:37Z")
I agree with Shrew, these poor innocent kids embarassed forever because a teacher snuck a peak at their underclothers before they went into the dance to show off their underwear voluntarily(Freaking) While the VP should have addressed the issue of inappropriate attire before the dance and not while the young adults are in line, the kids in question need to rediscover the notion of modesty. If they want to act like porn stars they should do it outside of school activities. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2002, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sure-you-can-come-to-the-dance-but-only-after-i-inspect-your-panties-wtf/106561/60 "2002-05-11T22:48:23Z")
So all of the girls who were checked had been caught flashing before? :rolleyes: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sure-you-can-come-to-the-dance-but-only-after-i-inspect-your-panties-wtf/106561.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sure-you-can-come-to-the-dance-but-only-after-i-inspect-your-panties-wtf/106561.md?page=4)