# Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 12, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166 "2024-11-12T19:54:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 108
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2141 "2025-03-14T12:48:29Z")
That’s assuming someone in a “detention facility” will even be able to contact anyone outside of it. Thanks for the reminder - while I do have my birth certificate it’s a piece of paper over 60 years old now and literally falling apart. Also, when I’ve been updating ID’s these past few years I’ve gotten pushback from my original documents not being “modern format” or whatever excuse is being used so I’m ordering some new, updated, official copies for going forward. Because this “show me your papers” thing is only going to get worse. ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2142 "2025-03-14T13:36:21Z")
I had a similar conversation with my mother \* and I kind of stumped her when I said " When they arrest you in Walmart for being an illegal alien, what are you going to do. " Of course she said “Prove I’m a citizen”. When I asked " How will you do that?" , she had no answer. \* I mostly had this conversation because my family is very welcoming to immigrants - at a large family event, there might be seven or eight languages spoken. Which means that a number of people have accents and/or might speak another language in public which IMHO means there’s a greater chance of them having problems - and if my mother’s with them, so will she. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2143 "2025-03-14T13:42:11Z")
> [@doreen](#): > > When I asked " How will you do that?" , she had no answer. And if they say “show my birth certificate”, remind them of Trump’s executive order that denies citizenship based only on place of birth. Besides your birth certificate, you also need to prove one of your parents was in the country legally. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2144 "2025-03-14T13:47:58Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Fast forward to this week. She’s updating her driver’s license to a Real ID. Although Real ID proves legal residence (not citizenship), how much confidence do we have that ICE will accept it as proof and not send you to Gitmo? ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2145 "2025-03-14T14:16:58Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Although Real ID proves legal residence (not citizenship), how much confidence do we have that ICE will accept it as proof and not send you to Gitmo? The Real ID part was unrelated to the immigration part. I was using it as an example to show how long it took a regular person to come up with the necessary documents to prove citizenship. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2146 "2025-03-14T16:20:27Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > The Real ID part was unrelated to the immigration part. I was using it as an example to show how long it took a regular person to come up with the necessary documents to prove citizenship. My point was even if you had proof: Real ID, passport, birth certificate, &c. who says that ICE won’t ignore it and throw you in custody anyways. They have immunity so no repercussions. ---
**Author:** ![Zoobi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/13edae/32.png) [@Zoobi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoobi)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2147 "2025-03-14T16:41:37Z")
Right, it’s pretty easy to take your papers and “lose them” or realize there’s dot missing over an ‘i’ so it’s suspicious and needs to get verified, which could take months to years… ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2148 "2025-03-14T16:47:38Z")
Not even that. Given qualified immunity and the state of The State and complete lack of respect judges have for civil rights, what is to stop this interaction: “Here is my Real ID. I also have my passport with me along with my birth certificate.” “Turn around. Hands behind your back.” ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2149 "2025-03-14T17:05:34Z")
> [@doreen](#): > > When I asked " How will you do that?" , she had no answer. I don’t want to impugn anyone’s mother, but the unspoken answer is ultimately “Obviously I’m a citizen because I’m not brown.” ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2150 "2025-03-14T17:08:04Z")
Which, if actually spoken, will probably get you deported for having the wrong attitude. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2151 "2025-03-14T17:10:01Z")
I ordered a new copy of my birth certificate in January. The state where I was born sent someone else’s to me. ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2152 "2025-03-14T17:21:49Z")
Which amusingly , is not so much true in this case. My mother is of Sicilian ancestry and is darker than a lot of brown people. Which is why she’ll be in trouble if she’s at Walmart with most of her grandchildren’s spouses/partners - she might look white if she’s with me or my very light skinned nephew but not if she’s with that nephew’s Salvadorean wife. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2153 "2025-03-14T17:24:00Z")
And Italian-Americans had a lot of trouble with anti-immigrant bias in their first generations, a hundred years ago or more. But no one remembers the lessons of even their own past, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2154 "2025-03-14T17:27:01Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > I don’t want to impugn anyone’s mother, but the unspoken answer is ultimately “Obviously I’m a citizen because I’m not brown.” [![](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BYjYyZjk1ZjUtNGE5Yi00NDBiLWJiOWYtY2MxNjU1Y2E0MTU4XkEyXkFqcGc@._V1_QL75_UX673.5_.jpg) ](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BYjYyZjk1ZjUtNGE5Yi00NDBiLWJiOWYtY2MxNjU1Y2E0MTU4XkEyXkFqcGc@._V1_QL75_UX673.5_.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2155 "2025-03-14T17:34:30Z")
> [@Zoobi](#): > > Right, it’s pretty easy to take your papers and “lose them” or realize there’s dot missing over an ‘i’ so it’s suspicious and needs to get verified, which could take months to years… There’s also a whole heap of people who’s passport and driver’s license names don’t match up with their birth certificates. And it’s not just those trans people… ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2156 "2025-03-14T18:08:13Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > “Here is my Real ID. I also have my passport with me along with my birth certificate.” > “Turn around. Hands behind your back.” “What did I do wrong?” “You’re _too_ well-prepared. No Real American™ would just walk around like that, ready to prove their citizenship and everything.” ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2157 "2025-03-14T18:09:17Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > but the unspoken answer is ultimately “Obviously I’m a citizen because I’m not brown.” That’s just what those Canadian Cartels want you to think! ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2158 "2025-03-14T18:30:29Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > And Italian-Americans had a lot of trouble with anti-immigrant bias in their first generations, a hundred years ago or more. > > But no one remembers the lessons of even their own past, I guess. The chairman of the NY State Young Republicans says that New York has nothing to do with immigrants, and even if it did, today’s immigrants don’t have the right “values”. [In an interview on All Things Considered from 2/15/25](https://www.npr.org/transcripts/nx-s1-5293385): > [@](#): > > **GARSD [Interviewer]:** Giunta is the chairman of the New York State Young Republicans. We’re meeting for Italian sandwiches at a popular spot on Staten Island. The city has taken in over 200,000 migrants in the last three years, and Giunta says it’s about time it starts cracking down. I point out that we’re sitting here eating Staten Island classics - prosciutto and gabagool (ph) sandwiches. I ask him, isn’t New York’s identity shaped by immigrants? > > **GIUNTA [Chairman of NY State Young Republicans]:** I would disagree with that. I think New York’s core identity is the New Yorker, not some person that came over from Guatemala or somewhere else. The immigrants that came over in the early 1900s and the late 1800s, like my great-grandparents - Italian, obviously, right? - very different set of values than I would argue some of the migrants that have come over today have. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2159 "2025-03-14T18:48:51Z")
Four years ago at our high school graduation the valedictorian was a girl whose mother was born in Korea and adopted by an Irish American family as an infant (in the 1960s). Her father is Irish American. For all intents and purposes neither of her parents nor any of her extended family have EVER lived outside the United States or even outside New England. The class president was a boy from Russia who came to the US in his sophomore year. Guess whose accent the local uneducated folks claimed they couldn’t understand. And who are these “people coming here and changing the character of our town” ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2160 "2025-03-14T19:27:09Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Not even that. Given qualified immunity and the state of The State and complete lack of respect judges have for civil rights, what is to stop this interaction: > “Here is my Real ID. I also have my passport with me along with my birth certificate.” > “Turn around. Hands behind your back.” I’ve seen instructions for how people should deal with ICE agents which say that they have no right to enter your home without a valid warrant, and that you should refuse to even open your door to them. My first thought on seeing this was, “Yeah, and after they break down your door and drag you out for refusing to cooperate what do you do?” > [@ZipperJJ](#): > > There’s also a whole heap of people who’s passport and driver’s license names don’t match up with their birth certificates. And it’s not just those trans people… I’m one of them. So I guess I’ll also need to carry around a copy of the court order for my name change. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=107) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=109)