# Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 12, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166 "2024-11-12T19:54:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 109
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2161 "2025-03-14T20:34:51Z")
> [@LurkMeister](#): > > I guess I’ll also need to carry around a copy of the court order for my name change. → > [@Horatius](#): > > “You’re _too_ well-prepared. No Real American™ would just walk around like that, ready to prove their citizenship and everything.” ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2162 "2025-03-14T20:50:40Z")
I have my change order in the secure folder on my phone. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2163 "2025-03-14T21:02:21Z")
“We have no record of a phone in your possession when you were detained.” ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2164 "2025-03-14T21:17:50Z")
Yup. That’s why you call 911 while you argue with whoever’s at your door without a warrant and claiming they have legal authority. ETA: also in a file cabinet, also in my email, also at a family member’s house. My practice is to back up my documents in multiple ways. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2165 "2025-03-14T21:20:51Z")
[![](https://sfo3.digitaloceanspaces.com/taspaces/media_attachments/files/114/162/857/035/622/862/original/7daf2d416a6010ec.jpeg) ](https://sfo3.digitaloceanspaces.com/taspaces/media_attachments/files/114/162/857/035/622/862/original/7daf2d416a6010ec.jpeg) Are these two different guys? ---
**Author:** ![vbob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vbob/32/4439_2.png) [@vbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vbob)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2166 "2025-03-14T22:45:51Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Because this “show me your papers” thing is only going to get worse. “Stand still while I scan your microchip” ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2167 "2025-03-14T23:29:40Z")
I have my Covid shot record on my phone. I never thought of having copies of any other documents on it. Of course, ICE or whoever could easily claim that the phone copies are not valid because they’re not certified by the issuing authority. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2168 "2025-03-14T23:48:11Z")
Or they could “accidentally” erase essential information. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2025, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2169 "2025-03-15T01:26:33Z")
Or they could kick down the door, but that doesn’t mean one shouldn’t try to hold them to having a warrant. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2025, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2170 "2025-03-15T13:55:37Z")
> [@susan](#): > > ETA: also in a file cabinet, also in my email, also at a family member’s house. My practice is to back up my documents in multiple ways. Sorry, but we need to see your _original_ birth certificate and your _original_ marriage certificate to confirm your legal name change. And also your unexpired drivers license to prove you are the person on those documents. Don’t have each of those documents? Sounds like you haven’t proven to our satisfaction you’re a US citizen. Don’t worry, you should be able to take care of getting the appropriate documents from our detention center. In discrete 10-minute phone calls at a rate of five dollars for the first minute, 2 dollars per each additional minute (but, again, not to exceed 10 minutes at a shot). Hope you like orange scrubs and flip flops (or red if we think you’re dangerous)! Anyway, I live along the border and have taken to keeping my passport in my backpack. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2025, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2171 "2025-03-15T17:04:22Z")
My point is that multiple backups increase one’s safety, not that thugs don’t do what they want. I might as easily say that that’s a nice backpack there, shame if someone took it from you when you tried to cross the border. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2025, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2172 "2025-03-15T18:27:00Z")
My apologies if it seemed like I was giving you a hard time. To be clear, yours is the best practice: multiple backups, both hard copy and electronic. I’m just overly cynical because in addition to living along the border, I am an immigration attorney for a non-profit legal aid. But I absolutely do wish more of our client population had the ability to keep lots of backups for ID. We have an entire team of attorneys and paralegals whose primary practice is in ID recovery, which people with unstable housing unfortunately need quite a lot of help with before they can even begin ti access services. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2025, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2173 "2025-03-15T20:56:23Z")
Thanks. I don’t disagree with your scenario, and do share your cynicism. Since most of the younger people I know have “I’d lie down and wait to die” as their default response to any difficulty (anecdata: University work, children of my peers), I do think it’s important that we older folks all keep naming ways to intervene on one’s own behalf. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2025, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2174 "2025-03-15T23:52:28Z")
You forgot to mention that, despite the 10-minute limit on calls, the lines automatically disconnect after 7 minutes, and you have to call back, getting charged that initial fee once again. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2025, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2175 "2025-03-16T05:04:47Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > [Trump] got a majority of the vote No he didn’t. Trump got 49% and change of the popular vote, Harris about one percent less. The remainder went to write-ins and third party candidates. Much as I hate to repeat myself, this obviously still needs to be said, and I’ll continue to do so as long as necessary. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2025, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2176 "2025-03-16T05:14:21Z")
> [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](#): > > No he didn’t. > > Trump got 49% and change of the popular vote, Harris about one percent less. The remainder went to write-ins and third party candidates. And, FWIW, Trump has run for president three times, and despite winning election twice (through the Electoral College), he has never received a majority (greater than 50%) of the popular vote, and 2024 was the only time of the three that he won the popular vote (though with a plurality, not a majority). ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2025, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2177 "2025-03-16T05:59:26Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > And, FWIW, Trump has run for president three times, and despite winning election twice (through the Electoral College), he has never received a majority (greater than 50%) of the popular vote, How many Presidents ever won more than 50% of the popular vote? ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2025, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2178 "2025-03-16T06:24:10Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > How many Presidents ever won more than 50% of the popular vote? 39 elections, 27 different presidents, the most recent being Biden. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2025, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2179 "2025-03-16T06:26:28Z")
> **[Presidential Election Margin of Victory | The American Presidency Project](https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/presidential-election-mandates)** > **[List of United States presidential elections by popular vote margin | Timeline](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_popular_vote_margin#Timeline)** > > 1.List of United States presidential candidates by number of votes received | > 2.List of United States presidential elections by Electoral College margin | > 3.List of United States presidential elections in which the winner lost the popular vote | > 4.National Popular Vote Interstate Compact [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/PartyVotes-Presidents.png) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/PartyVotes-Presidents.png) > Presidents of the U.S. listed in a timeline graph of elections with results of the popular vote color coded for political parties from 1788 to 2024. > A gray arrow points to the name of a person who became president without having been elected as president (9 total). The double arrow indicates becoming president without having been elected as vice president (e.g. Ford). 5 other former vice presidents are underlined (14 total). The top line indicates the presidency number (e.g. 40th for Reagan) with Roman numerals indicating election and term number. ---
**Author:** ![SunUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2025, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2180 "2025-03-16T06:33:13Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > How many Presidents ever won more than 50% of the popular vote? Washington (unopposed both elections), Adams, Jefferson (twice), Madison (twice, second time barely), Monroe (twice, was unopposed for second term), Jackson (twice), van Buren, WH Harrison, Pierce, Lincoln (second term), Grant (twice), McKinley (twice), TRoosevelt, Taft, Harding, Coolidge, Hoover, FRoosevelt (four times), Eisenhower (twice), LBJohnson, Nixon (second term), Carter, Reagan (twice), GHWBush, GWBush (second term), Obama (twice), Biden. 40 elections out of 60, counting those unopposed. Not sure how I got a different number than @Just_Asking_Questions ? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=108) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=110)