# Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 12, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166 "2024-11-12T19:54:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 116
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2301 "2025-03-20T13:51:33Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Yeah, I know. I just thought it was interesting that she voted for Trump in 2016, got her husband deported and ended up going with him. It seemed like an opportune time to report my findings, It’s cool. You’re cool. I just didn’t want to thought of as a Trumpist. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2302 "2025-03-20T13:53:43Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Because the local stores in that small town ran out of caviar. Everyone knows welfare and food stamp (SNAP) cheats subsist mostly on caviar. \< Turns green \> No. Not caviar… \< leaves room quickly \> ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2303 "2025-03-20T14:18:03Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > My mother probably has no recollection of migrants eating cats and dogs that she was frothing over five months ago. You should tell your mother that the Democrats are giving her Social Security benefits to the cats and dogs that have been eaten. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2304 "2025-03-20T16:02:48Z")
The Trump Trade Representative is proposing high fees on Chinese-owned/operated/built ships carrying cargo to-from US ports. From [Reuters article](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/proposed-us-port-fees-china-built-ships-begins-choking-coal-agriculture-exports-2025-03-19/) **“Exclusive: Proposed US port fees on China-built ships begin choking coal, agriculture exports”** > [@](#): > > Vessel owners have already refused to provide offers for future U.S. coal shipments due to the proposed USTR fees, Xcoal Energy & Resources CEO Ernie Thrasher said in a letter to U.S. Department of Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick dated March 12 and seen by Reuters. > > Enacting and implementing those fees could cease exports of U.S. coal within 60 days, putting $130 billion worth of shipments at risk, Thrasher said. He said the fee structure could add up to 35% to the delivered cost of U.S. coal, making it uncompetitive on the global market. > [@](#): > > Coal mines in West Virginia are also preparing to lay off miners as unsold coal inventories pile up, Chris Hamilton, CEO of the West Virginia Coal Association, told Reuters. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2305 "2025-03-20T16:43:39Z")
Seems to me this should be filed in the “Unexpected Upsides” file. Someone should put the final nail in coal’s coffin and be done with it ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2306 "2025-03-20T16:47:57Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > Someone should put the final nail in coal’s coffin and be done with it Yes, indeed, but meanwhile I’ll be laughing at the WVA trump voters. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2307 "2025-03-20T17:08:17Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > So to recap, your proof that the administration is defying the Supreme Court is that an article about its ruling, written on the day of its ruling, does not say that events set to take place on a future date have already happened. Dude! You know Czarcasm refuses to answer questions. You and I have called him out for this in what now? Three? Four threads? Meanwhile he’s the hypocrite because how dare you not answer HIS questions. I’d let it go. He will NEVER answer questions. He’s proven that over and over again. It’s like trying to have a discussion with a Flat Earther or moon-landing denier. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2308 "2025-03-20T17:12:35Z")
So to recap, I don’t respond to questions about things I never said in the first place. Buh bye. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2309 "2025-03-20T17:14:43Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > So to recap, I don’t respond to questions about things This part is absolutely the truth. My cite is all of the other threads you refuse to answer questions where your shit gets called out. For example, your claim that Vermont is a red state. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2310 "2025-03-20T17:17:59Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > Someone should put the final nail in coal’s coffin and be done with it Unfortunately, it’ll only drive business to other coal exporters. It might put the nail in US coal mining, but will also increase that of Chinese, Australian, or other coal mining. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2311 "2025-03-20T17:41:44Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > Unfortunately, it’ll only drive business to other coal exporters. It might put the nail in US coal mining, but will also increase that of Chinese, Australian, or other coal mining. And that’s fine. We’re down to 40,000 coal employees in the US, down from 180,000 in 1985. Coal employment peaked in 1923 at 860,000 and was at 350,000 in 1950. > **[All Employees, Coal Mining](https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CES1021210001)** > > All Employees, Coal Mining Coal is, at this point, a tiny industry the punches way, way above its weight in US politics and is really distortive. And what’s left of the Coal Barons (cough, Manchin) still oversee coal areas like feudal lords. And this is part of why I get incensed at the people whining about coal instead of asking how these communities transition away from coal. The war on coal is being waged by cheap and abundant natural gas, more efficient gas plants, and lower opex and maintenance costs of natural gas. But still we all have to pretend to care about the noble coal miner without whom we’d all be sitting in the dark. Fuck coal, kill coal. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2312 "2025-03-20T17:47:52Z")
Yeah. Rather than them just being replaced, destroying the US coal export business will likely mean a decline in the coal industry both here and abroad because they are artificially propped up for _political_ reasons. Also a good thing in its own right as they are both polluting and hostile to humanity in general; I feel no sympathy for the coal workers at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2313 "2025-03-20T17:49:27Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > I feel no sympathy for the coal workers at this point. None of this is the miners fault. (except who they choose to vote for, perhaps). They work hard in a dirty and dangerous environment. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2314 "2025-03-20T17:50:24Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > None of this is the miners fault. (except who they choose to vote for, perhaps). Which is enough. If they want to hurt everyone else, then “everyone else” is justified in despising them for it. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2315 "2025-03-20T17:51:57Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > (except who they choose to vote for, perhaps). Anybody think these soon to be out of work coal miners voted for the nice Democrat lady? 70% of the WV vote went Trump, I’m betting the miners were higher than that. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2316 "2025-03-20T17:58:44Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > None of this is the miners fault. (except who they choose to vote for, perhaps). They work hard in a dirty and dangerous environment. Except I can’t tell you how many documentaries and stories about coal miners I’ve seen where their key demand is to prop up coal. It’s never “Hey- there are 120,000 people employed in wind energy, let’s redeploy to that!” This is one of those cases where the right bemoans handouts while demanding handouts. And, by the way, recall Manchin’s efforts to get a law requiring a certain amount of coal generation. Fuck them. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2317 "2025-03-20T18:04:23Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Anybody think these soon to be out of work coal miners voted for the nice Democrat lady? 70% of the WV vote went Trump, I’m betting the miners were higher than that. Hunger smartens a lot of people up. I’ve even heard of miners seeking retribution against POS mine owners. ( I’m related to one. Happy St. Patrick’s Day, you Thieving Sons of Bitches ) “He wasn’t Hung, he was Hanged.” “Yeah, well you’ll have to fact check that claim with the mine owners wives…” ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2318 "2025-03-20T18:12:44Z")
> [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](#): > > Hunger smartens a lot of people up. Not on the Right; they just hate harder. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2319 "2025-03-20T18:17:25Z")
> **[Popular campsites in crucial swing state shuttered due to Elon Musk: report](https://www.rawstory.com/elon-musk-campsites/)** > > Hundreds of popular camping sites in the crucial presidential swing state of Pennsylvania have been shuttered thanks to cuts enacted by billionaire Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency.The Philadelphia Inquirer reports that cuts at... > More than 300 campsites at the lake will be closed until further notice, and the Inquirer notes that an additional 125 campsites will be closed at the Tompkins Campground in Tioga County thanks to Musk and his DOGE minions. > > “Avid campers know that lakefront campsites are difficult to obtain in the summer, in Pennsylvania and beyond, and many are reserved well in advance of the season,” the Inquirer notes. “According to the Army Corps, refunds would be provided to campers who made reservations through [Recreation.gov](https://www.recreation.gov/).” Remind me… Who did Pennsylvania vote for in 2024? ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2320 "2025-03-20T18:20:06Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Not on the Right; they just hate harder. Sounds like we need a Lab. Are we ready, Mister Wizard…? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=115) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=117)