# Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 12, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166 "2024-11-12T19:54:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 139
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2761 "2025-04-13T15:38:15Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > To whatever extent they’re aware of the chaos and stress in the world financial markets, and the negative impact on their retirement accounts, they just assume Trump knows what he’s doing and this is the effect of breaking things that needed to be broken, so they can be rebuilt better. I’m sure there are SOME folk like **Princhester** describes, who will change their views. But I fear FAR MANY MORE are like **Cervaise’s** parents. In a weird way, it is a sort of continuing to blame the Dems. Or, if not negatively aimed at Dems, blind support for Repubs. Sure, Trump’s policies are causing a lot of pain. But it wouldn’t have been necessary if not for the Dems. And, tho painful, they will be worth it in the end. For far too many such folk, add some intolerance or irrational social policy preference, and their support for Trump/MAGA becomes quite impervious. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2762 "2025-04-13T16:29:09Z")
Yet to see any comparsions, here, between the gullibility of your average MAGA voter getting strung along by the whole “the economy needs to be broken in order to restart, from the ground up, afresh”, and crypto suckers geting fed the line that “you must provide more money before you can make any withdrawals”. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2763 "2025-04-13T17:10:39Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > it makes no difference to them who’s president; things just keep ticking along, same as always Until it doesn’t. Then how will they rationalize it? My guess is the Soros Deep State Machine™ will be dusted off once again. That reminds me. I still haven’t gotten my check for April 5th’s participation yet. > [@Odesio](#): > > Given Trump’s behavior over the years, if MAGA was going to turn against Trump they would have done so already. Precisely. At the time of the election they’d had nine years to figure it out. Now we’re coming up on the 10th anniversary of that goddam escalator ride and the wheels have been been coming off for 83 days now (seems longer). And there they are, still bleating about Trump Derangement Syndrome. ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2764 "2025-04-13T18:00:57Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > Given Trump’s behavior over the years, if MAGA was going to turn against Trump they would have done so already. I agree with that - but I also agree with @Princhester that not all Trump voters are MAGA. I know more than one person who only voted for Trump in 2024 and even more who voted for him only in 2016 and 2024, not 2020. And some of them are even willing to admit it - they don’t think women are capable of being president so when it was Trump vs woman, they voted for against the woman and therefore for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2765 "2025-04-13T18:25:15Z")
> [@doreen](#): > > I agree with that - but I also agree with @Princhester that not all Trump voters are MAGA. I know more than one person who only voted for Trump in 2024 and even more who voted for him only in 2016 and 2024, not 2020. My mother says she’s an independent. Never mind that she voted for Trump in 2016, 2020, and 2024 or her talking points are pretty much MAGA verbatim, she’s assured me she’s an independent. Either way, people like my mother were comfortable supporting an autocrat. Practically speaking I don’t see a difference between them and MAGA. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2766 "2025-04-13T18:28:58Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > My mother says she’s an independent. Never mind that she voted for Trump in 2016, 2020, and 2024 or her talking points are pretty much MAGA verbatim, she’s assured me she’s an independent. Heh. My mother has assured me that she’s an independent, based on how she voted for a Republican one time. Do you remember when Reagan carried 49 of 50 states? It was that time. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2767 "2025-04-13T19:12:16Z")
I am a registered independent. I just happen to vote with the Democrats almost all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2768 "2025-04-13T19:27:05Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > They retreat to the old saw “why can’t we just get along, it’s just politics” because they see loyalty to parties like loyalty to sports teams. And for people of their generation who saw decades of relative stability, it’s basically true. It is. The outsized performance of the economy under Democratic administrations was too small to detect casually (though small changes can compound). Honestly, political junkies like myself are weirder than low information voters. And plenty of engaged voters have sufficiently poor judgment to support MAGA. The latter need to question their information sources. I’m curious though. You live in Europe. Transplant your parents to a multi-party system and what happens? My guess is that people in Luxembourg instinctively act like they live in a small open economy that needs to act responsibly or things will quickly go south. The bulk of US citizenry in contrast doesn’t need to care about the rest of the world, and are pretty ignorant of it. Not all though. > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > My experience (so anecdotal) is MAGA has no interest in a serious debate. There is a reason most of them have left the SDMB. I think a lot of conservatives have left this message board, because it’s very difficult to defend a President who changes their position so often. Shifting justifications would just make you look foolish here. Far better to post in places like Reddit or twitter where you don’t encounter your discussant again and reputation doesn’t really bind. The Iraq War hurt as well. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2769 "2025-04-13T19:28:14Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > …crypto suckers geting fed the line that “you must provide more money before you can make any withdrawals”. Ah, yes. Gas fees, they call it. Part of a so-called pig butchering scam (a term I absolutely fucking loathe because of how it dehumanizes the victims). I had a client who needed help with an immigration matter. The major issue was that if did what he wanted for him, he’d probably get deported. The minor issue was that he also would have needed a fee waiver from the government, and the only way to get such a fee waiver is to demonstrate financial need. And it’s hard to demonstrate financial need when you (1) get $45k+ per year, tax free from the government (did I mention yet this guy who is at high risk of deportation is a 100% disabled veteran?) and (2) genuinely believe you have hundreds of thousand (or millions?) of dollars stashed away, that you’re _just about_ to have access to if you just keep pumping in that “gas money” (which consists of basically all that VA disability pay you’re getting from the government, leaving you destitute and homeless). Anyway, I don’t know what his politics were, but he definitely wasn’t a Trump voter (because as a noncitizen he was not eligible to vote, d’uh). ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2770 "2025-04-13T19:33:49Z")
Registered Independent or “unenrolled”? ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2771 "2025-04-13T19:36:08Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Well, Trump has told them that their kids might get a sex-change operation one day at school–little Johnny comes home one day but now little Jane. I just encountered an even more silly one: Tommy Tuberville claimed on FOX that entire mens teams are turning trans. (I like that the Advocate nailed it with their headline) > **[GOP senator claims ‘entire men’s teams’ are transitioning. There’s no...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-senator-claims-entire-men-223833844.html)** > > Sen. Tommy Tuberville's office did not return The Advocate's request about evidence supporting these claims. ---
**Author:** ![iamatractorboy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iamatractorboy/32/21261_2.png) [@iamatractorboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamatractorboy)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2772 "2025-04-13T19:52:29Z")
This is exactly how I feel. I’ll always accept there will be a certain number of people who have pretty abhorrent political and social views and will vote accordingly, but the sheer level of his support after everything that he’s said and done is incomprehensible to me. It feels like a parallel universe. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2773 "2025-04-13T19:58:17Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > I just encountered an even more silly one: Tommy Tuberville claimed on FOX that entire mens teams are turning trans. (I like that the Advocate nailed it with their headline) With Val Kilmer recently passing away and being in the news, I wonder if Tuberville saw [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn4XFMVyaBQ) and thinks it’s real. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2774 "2025-04-13T19:58:18Z")
He’s bigoted, irrational, stupid, ignorant and malignant; and millions of Americans admire and desire all those things. And that’s why his support doesn’t go down, he’s _inflicting harm on the world;_ promoting ignorance and cruelty and hate, and that’s what his supporters _want._ More than life itself, that’s what they want. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2775 "2025-04-13T20:28:04Z")
> [@doreen](#): > > I agree with that - but I also agree with @Princhester that not all Trump voters are MAGA. Yeah, I had co-workers who voted for Trump purely for perceived selfish issues. One’s a would-be crypto-bro, a couple of others were swayed by the promise of untaxed overtime (because they work a shit-ton of it). They’re otherwise mostly apolitical people who don’t much care about parties and fundamentally don’t much care who is in charge. They regard Trump as a dirtbag, but hey - their wallet comes first and they utterly dismiss stuff like trans rights as having nothing to do with them (and they regard such things with mild disdain anyway). Like Cervaise’s parents they assume that everything will tick along as usual and that arguments to the contrary are just exaggerations. “Sure Trump’s a loon, but the sky isn’t falling and hey, more money!” They’re swayable in the sense that if the sky does fall they might say whoops and switch their vote next time (if there is one, of course). Also, they can obviously be bought and if Trump doesn’t fatten their wallet like he promised that will be an issue. But generally they are just selfish. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2776 "2025-04-13T22:22:52Z")
The important question is based on the betrayals, how many of the now faceless leopard victims will **not** vote MAGA in 2028? I predict zero. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2777 "2025-04-13T22:26:56Z")
And as far as I can tell from what people post both here and elsewhere, you are the exception. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2778 "2025-04-13T22:30:05Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > I think a lot of conservatives have left this message board, because it’s very difficult to defend a President who changes their position so often. That is not the reason. Conservatives were made to feel unwelcomed here long before Trump ver. 2.0 More over “conservative” is not the same as MAGA or Trumpinista anymore than “liberal” is ultra-pinko progressive communists. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2779 "2025-04-13T22:37:05Z")
No-posters that played fast and loose with the rules, _which were explained quite clearly to them more than once_, were made to feel unwelcome here. No matter what they pulled, they claimed over and over and over again that the _only_ reason for animosity was their political viewpoint. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/2780 "2025-04-13T22:43:24Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > I am a registered independent. I just happen to vote with the Democrats almost all the time. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > And as far as I can tell from what people post both here and elsewhere, you are the exception. Eh, I’m the same. Or specifically under California registration “no party preference.” As of 2023 that was 22.2% of CA voters (46.8% DP, 23.9% RP, 7.05% other) and googling they seem to split by polling to 25% “liberal”/54% “moderate”/20% “conservative” vs registered Democrats 62/30/6 and registered Republicans 3/25/73. Make of that what you will, with numerous grains of salt sprinkled. I personally disdain political parties as a necessary evil and since I am not compelled to pick, choose not to do so. But I haven’t voted for a Republican for a major partisan office since 2006. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=138) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=140)