# Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 12, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166 "2024-11-12T19:54:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 156
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2025, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3101 "2025-04-29T21:05:43Z")
I saw that article a few days ago—started reading it and just got progressively more angry, frustrated, and nauseated, plus I thought my eyes were going to roll back in my head. I would like to finish it because I’d like to know what makes Trump supporters tick—in theory—but in practice I’m not sure I have the stomach for it. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2025, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3102 "2025-04-29T21:26:58Z")
I don’t think they tick or tock. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2025, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3103 "2025-04-29T22:26:02Z")
I still don’t understand how any pro-football fan can justify supporting this ass. The NFL didn’t trust him enough to buy a football team due to lack of liquid funds/runs business poorly, founds a new league, goes bankrupt… and this is the guy they want to run the economy? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2025, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3104 "2025-04-29T22:36:40Z")
The guy who hired him for and supported him through “The Apprentice” has a lot to answer for. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2025, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3105 "2025-04-29T23:13:36Z")
I’ve said this a number of times, If they hadn’t cancelled his dumb ass show, we wouldn’t be it the position we are - America being taken over by a moron. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2025, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3106 "2025-04-29T23:22:52Z")
The Moron Anti-Defamation League is on Line 2. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2025, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3107 "2025-04-30T00:02:46Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > …and as for inflation? Crickets. All deny that it was getting under control under Biden. > A few (falsely) claim it’s gotten much better just in the past 100 days. It’s even worse than that when we put it all in the context of the pandemic. Trump mishandled the pandemic resulting in a million deaths and an absolutely cratered economy. Everyone just gives him a pass though; even much of the left-wing media just say Trump had a good economy, as if his last year didn’t happen. Then, under Biden, the economy didn’t just recover out of covid, but ultimately overtook where the economy would have been following the trajectory of Trump’s first 3 years. The turnaround in the economy was that dramatic. Like the rest of the world, there was a supply shock following covid, which drove up prices and for which in the US Biden gets the entirety of the blame. But, unlike the rest of the world, inflation was tamed in the US pretty quickly, and wage increases outpaced inflation (at the same time as having record low unemployment). These are the actual things that could be laid at the feet of Biden, but never get a mention, it’s maddening. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2025, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3108 "2025-04-30T04:24:47Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Only three of the twelve “regret their vote.” It’s hard to know what to make of these exercises. But if 25% of swing voters regret their vote on Day 100, that’s rather high and there’s further that Trump’s support could fall. Much further. Trump had a floor of 39% approval during his first administration. The trendline is now at 44%. COVID was terrible, but the outbreak was clearly not Trump’s fault. But this time any weakness in the economy very much _will_ be Trump’s fault. He owns these tariffs. Noah Smith, emphasis added: > Americans are starting to get very angry about the tariffs, as they ought to. But so far the actual economic pain from Trump’s policies hasn’t hit — there’s been no big rise in unemployment, no cratering of GDP growth, no empty shelves and only a modest increase in inflation. So far it’s all just market movements, gloomy forecasts, and anger in the media. > So we’re in this strange holding pattern… That’s going to change now. The real economy hasn’t begun to suffer from tariffs yet, but it soon will, and when it does, Americans will be hurt in a way that they never were during Trump 1.0. At that point we will see how much of a floor Trump’s approval really has. > So how long will it take the real pain to arrive? There will be a bit of pain in a month or two, especially in specific industries, **but the worst is probably still at least six months away — and possibly much more**. That said, we’ll be seeing goods transport at our ports and among our truckers crater over the next 2 weeks. That won’t be the worst, by far, even if Trump eats crow tomorrow. Which he won’t: [some of the admin insiders are pretty happy now and Trump talks to reporters daily](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/04/27/trump-presidency-100-days/). Furthermore, read the bolded part literally. Note the _at least_ qualification and realize that housing peaked about 2 years before the start of the Great Recession. Paywalled, but first dozen plus paragraphs are provided: > **[If you think Americans are mad now, just wait a few months](https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/if-you-think-americans-are-mad-now)** > > Some guesses as to how long it will take the real pain to arrive. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2025, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3109 "2025-04-30T06:24:47Z")
> [@robby](#): > > I would like to finish it because I’d like to know what makes Trump supporters tick—in theory—but in practice I’m not sure I have the stomach for it. That way lies madness. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2025, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3110 "2025-04-30T12:21:47Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > Why couldn’t it just be about good old-fashioned bigotry and hatred It’s because the bigots don’t like _ **being called bigots** _. Now, _ **being bigots** _, that they love. > [@Cervaise](#): > > The money piece, for me, was a contemporary quote from an Albanian priest, who expressed sad astonishment that the population could be revealed to hold so many willing thugs. I stood in front of that display, reading the quote over and over, my skin prickling unpleasantly. > > I suspect many people are about to have a similarly unhappy awakening. Since I’ve been living in Beijing, I’ve heard a fair numbr of times, from both Chinese and foreigners, “You should really respect that person. They survived the Cultural Revolution.” Yeah, right. I’ll respect them depending on what side they were on: victim or perpetrator. And that’s what I see happening in the United States today. The so-called conservatives, the magaflatearthers, and the completely complicit Republic party are not victims in this. > [@DesertDog](#): > > _Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety._ > –Ben Franklin, revolutionary > > _The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure._ > –Thomas Jefferson, revolutionary > > It would seem we’ve been lucky up to the last decade and are long overdue. No kidding. We had a four year long civil war and even that did not do as much or as lasting damage as this traitor is doing in office now. > [@LSLGuy](#): > > e.g. If every job required PhD level expertise and intellect, if paying a parking ticket was as complex as doing a tax return by hand, if meeting a mate required all the skills of a professional social worker, etc. Pretty quickly some small fraction of the populace could thrive, or even survive, in that milieu, and the rest would drop out somehow into some underworld underclass. I’m reminded of a short Scence Fiction story set on Venus. The Earthlings cannot get anything done because the entire society is organized into different guilds. “Join one of the guilds” you say? Yeah, that’s the catch. Joining the guild costs money. One has to work to earn money. One has to belong to a guild to do that work. This is not far off where we’re headed with the incompetent-in-chief. > [@RitterSport](#): > > They were “on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard’,” no doubt. You’re falling behind. Disused lavatories aren’t for rules of procedure. They’re for state secrets. > [@OldOlds](#): > > That was actually, IMO, one of the most appalling things Trump did. Absolute dereliction of duty. Right. And he and his supporters are pretending migrants entering the country are committing an act of war. But isn’t this debacle in connection with Turkey’s embassy technially an actual act of war? > [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > I have no doubt large swathes of the MAGA population I first read this as “large swastikas of the MAGA population”. Somehow, I don’t think I read it all that wrong. > [@MrAtoz](#): > > Ironically, these are often the same people who, when some injustice is pointed out to them, will sneer, “Hey, life isn’t fair. Suck it up.” [That’s literally Trump’s response to a question about his administration “accidentally” deporting US citizens.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-admits-possible-us-citizens-204855816.html) > [@robby](#): > > I would like to finish it because I’d like to know what makes Trump supporters tick—in theory—but in practice I’m not sure I have the stomach for it. Let me help you here. The answer is incredibly simple. _ **They are bigots.** _ > [@Locrian](#): > > I still don’t understand how any pro-football fan can justify supporting this ass. The NFL didn’t trust him enough to buy a football team due to lack of liquid funds/runs business poorly, founds a new league, goes bankrupt… and this is the guy they want to run the economy? The magaflatearthers are crowing about how the NFL draft is doing Trump’s bidding. One of my sisters-in-law posted along that line and said how wonderful it is. Wow. The response she got was incredible. It was not what she expected. Full on leapord meal, 'twas. > [@Mijin](#): > > Trump mishandled the pandemic resulting in a million deaths and an absolutely cratered economy. Thankfully he knows nothing of history. The Black Death killed, what was it, a third of the population of Europe, and that improved the financial life, apparently, of the survivors. If he hunkers down, maybe this time around he can do it! ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2025, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3111 "2025-04-30T12:34:13Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > The magaflatearthers are crowing about how the NFL draft is doing Trump’s bidding. One of my sisters-in-law posted along that line and said how wonderful it is. Wow. The response she got was incredible. It was not what she expected. Full on leapord meal, 'twas. Pardon my ignorance, but I can’t make head nor tails of this. I just don’t have enough context on my own. What is NFL doing or not doing? What did SIL say she thought of that? What response did she expect? What response did she get? From who? ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2025, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3112 "2025-04-30T13:01:53Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > … The Black Death killed, what was it, a third of the population of Europe, and that improved the financial life, apparently, of the survivors. … Not in England. Since there was a manpower shortage, the villeins (the peasants who worked the land) started agitating for — and sometimes getting — better pay. Which led Parliament to pass a law requiring them to go back to work for their previous employers at the pre-plague rate. In the meantime the same manpower shortage led to a shortage of goods, which in turn led to significant inflation. The aristocracy, as might be expected, fared much better. ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2025, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3113 "2025-04-30T13:19:02Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Pardon my ignorance, but I can’t make head nor tails of this. I just don’t have enough context on my own. > > What is NFL doing or not doing? What did SIL say she thought of that? What response did she expect? What response did she get? From who? Trump got involved in the NFL draft last weekend, supposedly on the behalf of Shedeur Sanders, a Colorado QB, drama prince son of Deion Sanders. It didn’t work out well for Sanders. > **[What Exactly Happened With the Most Convoluted Story in American Sports? Not...](https://slate.com/culture/2025/04/shedeur-sanders-nfl-draft-2025-donald-trump-news.html)** > > The full saga of Shedeur Sanders. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2025, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3114 "2025-04-30T13:24:23Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > _The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure._ > –Thomas Jefferson, revolutionary > > It would seem we’ve been lucky up to the last decade and are long overdue. I hate this quote. Jefferson used it to justify the excesses of the French Revolution, including the wholesale slaughter of innocents (which he downplayed somewhat until it became undeniable), and it’s the same sentiment used to justify our own current excesses. Of course, Jefferson said it before the Reign of Terror got _really_ bad and was said to have regretted it later. One hopes he came to learn better. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2025, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3115 "2025-04-30T13:28:02Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > it’s the same sentiment used to justify our own current excesses Yeah, I suspect the magabots cheering the current ethnic cleansing would say that’s exactly what they’re doing. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2025, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3116 "2025-04-30T13:37:20Z")
Except the quote isn’t about the French revolution, > The British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, and what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves. Yet where does this anarchy exist? Where did it ever exist, **except in the single instance of Massachusets**? And can history produce an instance of a rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it’s motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be 20. years without such a rebellion. The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independant 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure. Our Convention has been too much impressed by **the insurrection of Massachusets** : and in the spur of the moment they are setting up a kite to keep the hen yard in order. I hope in god this article will be rectified before the new constitution is accepted. He’s referring to Shays’s Rebellion, > **[Shays's Rebellion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shays%27s_Rebellion)** > >  United States > Shays's Rebellion was an armed uprising in Western Massachusetts and Worcester in response to a debt crisis among the citizenry and in opposition to the state government's increased efforts to collect taxes on both individuals and their trades. The fighting took place in the areas around Springfield during 1786 and 1787. Historically, scholars have argued that the four thousand rebels, called Shaysites, who protested against economic and civil rights injustices by the Massachu... ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2025, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3117 "2025-04-30T13:39:17Z")
> [@BippityBoppityBoo](#): > > Trump got involved in the NFL draft last weekend, supposedly on the behalf of Shedeur Sanders, a Colorado QB, drama prince son of Deion Sanders. It didn’t work out well for Sanders. Ye gods I missed the actual content of his post. > He’s also a very good coach, streetwise and smart! Therefore, Shedeur, his quarterback son, has PHENOMENAL GENES Streetwise…good genes…my god. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2025, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3118 "2025-04-30T13:58:50Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Except the quote isn’t about the French revolution, Not directly, as it predated the actual Revolution but in the run-up. He wrote that letter while serving in Paris itself as Ambassador and seeing the buildup of Revolutionary fervor in the wake of the corrupt Ancien Regime and thinking “hey, a bit of bloodshed may be a good idea if it’s the only way to effect change”. While Shay’s Rebellion may have been the ostensible topic, his feelings were motivated by what he was seeing personally in France. Of course, the actual French Revolution ended up being somewhat less noble and a good deal more bloody than he expected. Most people justify their excesses as some righteous fight against Tyranny where blood (usually somebody else’s) is an acceptable loss in order to prevail. Usually both sides of conflict will simultaneously claim it. It’s a terrible sentiment. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2025, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3119 "2025-04-30T14:10:28Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > Streetwise…good genes…my god. Somehow, I just knew I would get a relevant hit if I Googled “Jimmy the Greek” AND “Trump”. [Donald Trump on Jimmy the Greek’s Racist Slurs About Black Athletes: “He Was Doing OK ’Til He Said He Was Sorry”](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/06/donald-trump-invokes-jimmy-the-greek-and-his-racist-slurs.html) By [William Saletan](https://slate.com/author/william-saletan) June 30, 2016 > Trump, who had previously challenged the validity of a Connecticut tribe on the grounds that “[they don’t look like Indians](http://articles.courant.com/1993-10-06/news/0000003863_1_indian-casinos-mashantucket-pequots-foxwoods-casino),” routinely [calls](http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/03/21/trump-elizabeth-warren-you-mean-indian) Warren “[Pocahontas](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcFIp7-_WzE).” But the whoop was only the second-most obnoxious part of this episode. Today comes word that Trump, while offering encouragement to Carr, invoked anti-black comments made 28 years ago by a sports commentator, Jimmy “the Greek” Snyder. > > In a _Boston Herald_ column, Carr describes a conversation with Trump that took place on Wednesday, after the rally in Maine. Carr indicates that the conversation was about the war whoop. He says Trump [gave him this advice](http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/howie_carr/2016/06/carr_nothing_sorry_about_trump_one): “Whatever you do, don’t apologize. You never hear me apologize, do you? That’s what killed Jimmy the Greek way back. Remember? He was doing OK ’til he said he was sorry.” > > Really? Trump thinks Jimmy the Greek shouldn’t have apologized? > > Let’s go back and look at the comments that got Snyder [fired from his broadcasting job](http://articles.latimes.com/1988-01-17/sports/sp-36803_1_jimmy-snyder) in 1988. On Jan. 15, Martin Luther King’s birthday, a reporter asked Snyder about the status of blacks in sports. Snyder, on video, [gave](https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1988/01/17/jimmy-the-greek-fired-by-cbs-for-his-remarks/27536e46-3031-40c2-bb2b-f912ec518f80/) [several](http://www.nytimes.com/1988/01/17/sports/cbs-dismisses-snyder.html) [answers](http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1988/Jimmy-The-Greek-Apologizes-For-Remarks-About-Blacks-in-Sports/id-9194f2447c40ea72619096632d15ae16), [including](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKtIqXMpHcY) the [following](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzB7IsmOegE): > > 1. “The black is a better athlete to begin with, because he’s been bred to be that way. Because of his high thighs that go up into his back. And they can jump higher and run faster because of their bigger thighs.” > > 2. “This goes back all the way to the Civil War, when, during the slave trading, the owner, the slave owner, would breed his big black to his big woman so that he could have a big black kid. That’s where it all started.” > [snip] ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2025, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3120 "2025-04-30T14:10:50Z")
This is what, almost, everyone gets wrong about the quote, “The _tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots_ and tyrants.” is Jefferson’s saying that putting down the rebellion was the correct thing to do even if it meant by violent means. IMHO, if Tom had been around during Jan 6th he’d be wondering why there were no troops and why those troops did not fix their bayonets. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=155) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=157)