# Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 12, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166 "2024-11-12T19:54:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 158
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2025, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3141 "2025-05-03T03:51:17Z")
See, the tariffs are already helping American businesses. Temu might have threatened Amazon, but now it’s been defanged. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2025, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3142 "2025-05-03T04:38:27Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Just because Trump is pro-coal doesn’t mean he’s pro coal _miner_ The Grand Old Creed: love the work, hate the worker. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2025, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3143 "2025-05-03T10:44:18Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](#): > > ISTM that moving to a local fulfillment model will put an end to the affordability and lose most of it’s appeal. It will be interesting to see if the adjusted prices remain competitive with similar clothing on Amazon, or if the Amazon clothing prices will increase enough that Temu and Shein will still be less expensive. ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2025, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3144 "2025-05-05T17:15:22Z")
Trumpist firefighters who were all for Trump’s cuts to government are not so pleased when he cancels in-person classes at the nearby National Fire Academy. [https://www.npr.org/2025/05/05/nx-s1-5351764/trump-cuts-national-fire-academy-maryland-emmitsburg-fema-federal-spending](https://www.npr.org/2025/05/05/nx-s1-5351764/trump-cuts-national-fire-academy-maryland-emmitsburg-fema-federal-spending) If the administration doesn’t restore the cuts, “It will change my outlook to say that they’re not being fair,” says [Emmitsburg, MD, Mayor Frank] Davis, who also serves as emergency medical services captain at the local firehouse, known as the Vigilant Hose Company. **“They’re just going in to cut and not caring what they cut.”** (_My emphasis._) > Emmitsburg voted for President Trump in November. NPR interviewed about two dozen people here. Almost all of them voted for Trump, and many said his plans to cut federal spending were a key attraction. Now, they say they are puzzled as to why the administration would cancel national training for firefighters. > Beck, who runs a landscaping company, works for free as fire chief. He voted for Trump and supports cutting waste and making government smaller. But Beck doesn’t see how training first responders is wasteful. > > “We’re only 100-plus days in,” Beck says of Trump’s current term. “I wish things were going differently.” > > Beck doesn’t regret his vote **—** yet. > > “I’m not 100% there yet, but it may not take much more,” he says. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2025, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3145 "2025-05-05T17:43:03Z")
> Now, they say they are puzzled as to why the administration would cancel national training for firefighters. Maybe, just maybe, they should ask what the administration thinks the training firefighters require is. ‘You got to the fire, you sprinkle a little water on it, you go home. What else do you need to know?’ ~ DJT ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2025, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3146 "2025-05-05T17:44:03Z")
It makes you wonder why these folks think that he’s recklessly cutting the things they are personally involved with, but somehow think that his other actions are well considered. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2025, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3147 "2025-05-05T17:51:19Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > ‘You got to the fire, you sprinkle a little water on it, you go home. What else do you need to know?’ > ~ DJT Exactly. Remember, Donald Trump knows more about [insert any subject] than the [insert appropriate experts here (economists, doctors, generals, scientists, PhDs, statesmen, etc)]. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2025, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3148 "2025-05-05T18:00:26Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > It makes you wonder why these folks think that he’s recklessly cutting the things they are personally involved with, but somehow think that his other actions are well considered Shades of “The only good abortion is my abortion”. One guy was quoted as having seen “A lot of waste” in his career as a civil servant, but yeah, you have to wonder how much of that “waste” was him just not understanding the reasons for something. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2025, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3149 "2025-05-05T18:22:41Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > One guy was quoted as having seen “A lot of waste” in his career as a civil servant, but yeah, you have to wonder how much of that “waste” was him just not understanding the reasons for something. That’s a version of C[hesterton’s Fence](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Chesterton%27s_fence): > 1. (public policy) The [principle](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/principle#English) that [reforms](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/reform#English) should not be made until the reasoning behind the [existing](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/existing#English) [state of affairs](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/state_of_affairs#English) is [understood](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/understood#English). Short video explanation: [Chesterton Fence: Don’t Destroy What You Don’t Understand!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPGbl2gxGqI) ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2025, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3150 "2025-05-05T18:23:55Z")
Jefferson was a physical coward who ran from the redcoats in his nightie. Franklin never fought anyone either. They were wordsmiths. Fuck them. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2025, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3151 "2025-05-05T19:51:40Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Maybe, just maybe, they should ask what the administration thinks the training firefighters require is. They just need to rake the houses. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2025, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3152 "2025-05-05T21:19:02Z")
> [@Ulfreida](#): > > Fuck them. Into necrophilia, are we? ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2025, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3153 "2025-05-05T23:03:34Z")
Only loser’s houses burn down anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3154 "2025-05-06T05:36:01Z")
> [@Ulfreida](#): > > Franklin never fought anyone either. Franklin was 70 years of age in 1776, so I think it’s forgivable that he worked for America by charming French aristocrats rather than hauling muskets. In other news, tech bros are flaming out. First 9 paragraphs of paywalled article: > **[The Tech Right is not succeeding](https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/the-tech-right-is-not-succeeding)** > > Technologists once again prove ham-handed when it comes to politics. > The tech industry itself will likely be hit hard by Trump’s tariffs. Hardware companies like Tesla will [have trouble sourcing components](https://www.wired.com/story/trump-global-tariffs-tech-industry-impacts/), increasing their costs substantially. Companies like Apple who design their hardware in America but manufacture it overseas will also take a hit; Apple CEO Tim Cook says the tariffs will cost his company [nearly $1 billion](https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/02/tech/china-apple-trump-tariffs-tim-cook-intl-hnk) this quarter.[3](https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/the-tech-right-is-not-succeeding#footnote-3-162865570) E-commerce companies like Amazon will suffer from more expensive imports, too; when Amazon protested by listing tariffs explicitly in their price breakdowns, [Trump called Jeff Bezos](https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/29/business/white-house-calls-report-that-amazon-is-adding-a-tariff-charge-a-hostile-action) and bullied him into changing the policy. > Most importantly, AI companies — which at this point includes almost every big tech company, and a large fraction of startups — will face [higher costs for their compute](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2025/04/12/tariffs-trump-threaten-silicon-valley-ai/), since data centers use tons of imported parts and components: Also, everyone hates Elmo: [![](https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6a9bfd99-89e3-4226-916c-afd24efe1743_944x697.jpeg) ](https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6a9bfd99-89e3-4226-916c-afd24efe1743_944x697.jpeg) Also, tech bros are bad at politics. Exquisitely bad. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3155 "2025-05-06T05:43:12Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Also, tech bros are bad at politics. Who could have predicted that these folks who gravitated to their tech-oriented careers because it minimized the headaches of having to interact with other people would turn out to be bad at a discipline that requires them to understand and influence people? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3156 "2025-05-06T05:46:08Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > One guy was quoted as having seen “A lot of waste” in his career as a civil servant, but yeah, you have to wonder how much of that “waste” was him just not understanding the reasons for something. Or how much of that waste was actually due to _him_. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3157 "2025-05-06T12:04:12Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Who could have predicted that these folks who gravitated to their tech-oriented careers because it minimized the headaches of having to interact with other people would turn out to be bad at a discipline that requires them to understand and influence people? While I understand that stereotypes make things easier sometimes, we should really fight the urge to pigeonhole whole swaths of the population like this. How about “who could expect a self-selecting bunch of ‘get-rich-quick’ douchebags that gravitated to a market sector that allowed a fortunate few to indeed get rich quick, often poorly correlated with ability or talent, would also gravitate to a related grift”? Musk, for his part, likes interacting with other people. It seems to be his primary talent. I mean that sincerely - his wealth was built by leaving the technical bits to others and being the guy who inspired other people to invest vast sums of money in his companies. That does not translate well to politics, it seems. And in the distance, the world’s smallest violin plays… ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3158 "2025-05-06T23:41:21Z")
Half of being smart is knowing what you’re dumb at and he’s hardly the first one to fall into that trap, e.g. Linus Pauling and vitamin C. Pauling never purposefully set out to destroy the Federal government, though. My brother bought a Tesla S back in 2015 and I got him a magnet to put on the back of it: _Bought back when he was just the cool ‘space guy’_ ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3159 "2025-05-06T23:52:53Z")
Noah Smith discussed some of the problems tech bros have in politics. Musk is exhibit A. Federal spending is higher than it was under Biden, notwithstanding the inane firings and court mandated rehirings. His efforts during the Wisconsin Supreme Court race may have been counterproductive. Elon fought the tariffs and lost. Musk is returning to Tesla with this tail between his legs and perhaps 1/3 less net worth. Noah Smith: > Why? The likeliest explanation is that Musk has spent his entire career dealing with the best and the brightest. When employees at Tesla or SpaceX prove not to be the very cream of the elite, Musk ruthlessly fires them. Thus, he lives most of his life surrounded only by smart and competent people. > But politics is simply a different animal. Dealing with geniuses all day simply does not prepare one to understand and connect with the masses; Trump has plenty of charisma, but when it comes to the average voter, Musk has much less. Musk is also used to being the absolute ruler of his workplaces, and the adaptation to a subordinate role was probably unfamiliar. > These two issues certainly don’t apply only to Elon. In fact, they’re general reasons why technologists’ forays into politics are typically so disappointing — and why the new Tech Right of the 2020s has so far been unable to make much headway. … > The big lesson here, I think, is that our intuition from previous decades is still correct: _Tech people simply aren’t that good at politics_. Their expertise lies in managing cold hard symbols rather than the passions of the masses, and they’re used to relating to genius engineers instead of working-class voters. They live in a world where functionality, rather than popularity, wins the day. And that world isn’t Washington, D.C. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2025, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3160 "2025-05-07T00:16:14Z")
I’d ask when these people will learn but pretty sure they will never lean. I feel sorry for their son. His parents have done him a disservice. His parents were happy to fuck over someone else but now it is their problem and they are upset. These people are called “assholes.” > **[They voted for Trump and their green-card son is in ICE detention](https://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-news/they-voted-for-trump-and-now-their-son-is-in-ice-detention/SYFCW7GWOVA6NBW63RXUN3IJEU/)** > > A green card holder from Argentina is detained in South Georgia’s Stewart Detention Center. His parents, who voted for President Trump, now regret their choice. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=157) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=159)