# Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 12, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166 "2024-11-12T19:54:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 160
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2025, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3181 "2025-05-07T12:44:18Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > What I don’t get is supporting a politician who thinks you’re literal vermin because he _also_ thinks the recent immigrants you dislike are vermin. Something about cardboard boxes, overpasses, sparrows, and old curtain rods. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2025, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3182 "2025-05-07T12:56:25Z")
A lot of it is hate. But there is another IMO _very_ significant element that gets mixed in. Partly from propaganda, and partly from lived experience, a LOT of people believe America was always or at least has become a crooked con that is not working for them. These people can easily be persuaded that: > America is not working for me or anyone like me. Conventional politics of either party hasn’t done anything for me in my lifetime. All I feel is political hopelessness. > > trump promises radical change. _And since it can’t possibly get worse than it is now_, that change, even if I don’t understand what it is, _can only be for the better. For me._ Let’s roll those dice; _I_ have nothing to lose and everything to gain. The portions of that message that are fantasy are very obvious. To us. Not to them. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2025, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3183 "2025-05-07T13:51:02Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > [https://blogs.law.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/files/dh\_lead\_image-trump-cuts-u-s-aid-tc3-mexican-countries-news-fox-46913546\_1.jpg](https://blogs.law.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/files/dh_lead_image-trump-cuts-u-s-aid-tc3-mexican-countries-news-fox-46913546_1.jpg) Tagging @Frodo in the Pit - a place I don’t think he comes often - so he can see how the Brazil and Argentina tags have been cruelly switched. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2025, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3184 "2025-05-07T14:33:31Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > And now that the obvious is _happening_ their pride won’t let them admit that they metaphorically stuck their hand in the hole labeled “wood chipper” in big red letters then flipped the switch. I wonder if it’s pride. Pride would be “I know I voted for a loser who is destroying the country and I can’t admit it.” I think it’s just a continuation of rampant, colossal ignorance. Like Charlie Brown and the football. Or the people in Jonestown. It’s a lack of the ability to see reality, to see that things aren’t what you thought or hoped, I have to go with the scientific term STOOPID. ---
**Author:** ![bobsmom101](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobsmom101/32/2867_2.png) [@bobsmom101](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobsmom101)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2025, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3185 "2025-05-07T14:45:04Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > About the closest these yahoos could ever get to denouncing the Orange Peril would be to criticize the jackbooted thugs carrying out the pogrom (a variation on _“If the Tsar only knew …”_). In their minds, Trump never meant to deport those like them; but his very good brain is so wrapped up in such lofty endeavors as making China pay tariffs and adding Canada as the 51st state that he’s had to delegate getting the thugs & murderers out of the country. And Deep State operatives must be keeping him in the dark as to what’s going on, otherwise he’d put a stop to it _toot sweet_. ISTM that those who believe Trump personally gives a sh\*t about them and their problems and those who believe the same of their Own Personal Savior Deity are congruent sets. And this is despite copious evidence to the contrary in both cases. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2025, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3186 "2025-05-07T14:45:31Z")
The Jonestown comparison is apt. It’s a cult. Few committed cult members have the wisdom and courage to escape before complete disaster strikes. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2025, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3187 "2025-05-07T14:49:01Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I had drinks with her after work and I still remember her telling me that whenever someome says “but” ignore whatever came before it. “I love you but…” Ignore the I love you part and focus on what is said after that. I have posted a few times, ‘Anything said before “but” is bullshit.’ e.g., ‘I’m not a racist, **but** …’ ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2025, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3188 "2025-05-07T14:54:10Z")
“I’m not an antivaxer, but…” (followed by antivax meme(s)) ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2025, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3189 "2025-05-07T15:59:45Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > What I don’t get is supporting a politician who thinks you’re literal vermin No, see, I’m one of the _good_ vermin, not like those _bad_ vermin. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2025, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3190 "2025-05-07T16:27:59Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > What I don’t get is supporting a politician who thinks you’re literal vermin because he _also_ thinks the recent immigrants you dislike are vermin. Many are so **used** to casual hate speech that it does not register as a threat. Many others listen only to the RW news system so they never even heard that. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2025, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3191 "2025-05-07T16:32:57Z")
Trump is television candidate. He always complains about the government even when he runs it which creates the impression (among some) that he’s fighting for you. He’s backed by right wing media whose mission is to reassure their viewers rather than inform them. And his supporters perceive Trump as follows: > To a lot of us, Trump is a celebrity real estate developer who likes to get into petty feuds with fellow celebrities. That doesn’t seem very presidential. But that’s the old Trump. The modern Trump still gets into petty feuds with fellow celebrities, but he’s also the star of Celebrity Apprentice, and that’s how a lot of people view him these days. > Now, picture in your mind how Trump looks. He is running things. He sets the tasks. The competitors all call him “Mr. Trump” and treat him obsequiously. He gives orders and famous people accept them without quibble. At the end of the show, he asks tough questions and demands accountability. He is smooth and unruffled while the team members are tense and tongue-tied. Finally, having given everything the five minutes of due diligence it needs, he takes charge and fires someone. And on the season finale, he picks a big winner and in the process raises lots of money for charity. > Do you see how precisely this squares with so many people’s view of the presidency? The president is the guy running things. He tells people what to do. He commands respect simply by virtue of his personality and rock-solid principles. When things go wrong, he doesn’t waste time. He gets to the bottom of the problem in minutes using little more than common sense, and then fires the person responsible. And in the end, it’s all for a good cause. That’s a president. > Obviously this is all a fake. The show is deliberately set up to make Trump look authoritative and decisive. But a lot of people just don’t see it that way. That’s from a 2015 blog post. > **[If you don't get Donald Trump's appeal, you really need to catch up on your...](https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/08/if-you-dont-get-donald-trumps-appeal-you-really-need-catch-your-celebrity-apprent/)** > >   ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2025, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3192 "2025-05-07T16:45:57Z")
My favorite of Los Caprichos! ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2025, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3193 "2025-05-07T16:52:09Z")
These people who voted for Trump and later had relatives detained/deported obviously thought that because they had voted for Trump they and their families had been put on a master list of people who were exempt from the rules that everyone else had to follow. Kind of like a “reverse-No-Fly-list”. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2025, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3194 "2025-05-07T16:54:23Z")
I wouldn’t be surprised if you are exactly correct about this. Sort of a “Friends of Trump” list. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2025, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3195 "2025-05-07T17:00:23Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > The Jonestown comparison is apt. It’s a cult. Please tell me the flavor-aid phase is coming soon. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2025, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3196 "2025-05-07T17:12:38Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I still remember her telling me that whenever someome says “but” ignore whatever came before it. > > It might be a bit too strict but that advice has served me well over the years, as painful as it sometimes can be. So, what I’m hearing is that the advice is not too strict at all 😉 ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2025, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3197 "2025-05-07T17:28:02Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Trump is a celebrity (quote shortened) The Trump is a ‘celebrity’ shit drives me nuts. As far as a TV celebrity, he’s a two bit ‘reality’ TV show ‘actor’ (for different values of actor) A celebrity, someone that deserves recognition as such is someone like Robert Redford or Mary Tyler Moore. Or hundreds of others. Trump is not fit to shine their shoes. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2025, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3198 "2025-05-07T17:32:40Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Trump is not fit to shine their shoes. Quite literally. I’d be worried about what would happen if he were forced to bend down, perform any sort of physical activity, and stand back up ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2025, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3199 "2025-05-07T17:36:42Z")
It could be difficult to distinguish between the likely result and … Shinola. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2025, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3200 "2025-05-07T17:43:02Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I wouldn’t be surprised if you are exactly correct about this. Sort of a “Friends of Trump” list. It doesn’t hurt that [a lot of Trump’s fundraising e-mails are written as if Trump is making a personalized appeal to the target](https://www.vox.com/culture/21440412/trump-emails-campaign-fundraising-rhetoric-explained) > “You’ve been identified as one of President Trump’s fiercest and most loyal defenders, and according to your donor file, you’d make an excellent addition to the Trump Army,” it reads. “When you become a member of the Trump Army today, we’ll give you access to get our never-before-seen, Limited Edition Camo Keep America Great Hat.” With that camo hat, it goes on to promise, Trump supporters will be able to let everyone know that they have Trump’s back “when it comes to fighting off the Liberal MOB.” > “I want to know who stood with me when it mattered most, so I’ve asked my team to send me a list of EVERY AMERICAN PATRIOT who donates to this email,” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=159) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=161)