# Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 12, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166 "2024-11-12T19:54:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 178
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3541 "2025-06-12T22:53:51Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > FWIW, valid work permit != legal immigration status. One of the many kafkaesque aspects of our immigration “system.” I’m not disputing your comment, but care to elaborate for the rest of us unversed in the nuances? ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3542 "2025-06-12T22:54:39Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > I don’t like to imagine that there is a whole new species of ass-tunneling face-eating leopards out there… It’s like an _Alien_ chestburster only the other way. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3543 "2025-06-12T23:22:13Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > > [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > > > FWIW, valid work permit != legal immigration status. One of the many kafkaesque aspects of our immigration “system.” > > I’m not disputing your comment, but care to elaborate for the rest of us unversed in the nuances? It’s complicated. I’m not sure I can explain it in a forum post. But consider, employment authorization is just that: employment authorization. It says nothing about the legality of one’s presence in the US or, for that matter, one’s immigration status. It’s possible (again, very kafkaesque) to be lawfully present in the US… but have neither lawful immigration status nor work authorization. An example would be someone in the US on something like humanitarian parole (many variations of which have been summarily terminated in recent months). Although being in the US on a program like parole might allow someone to _apply_ for work authorization (but not receive it automatically). Another example of someone who may be (1) lawfully present but not have (2) lawful immigration status or (3) employment authorization would be someone in the US on a non-immigrant visa that does not allow the recipient to work (such as a tourist visa). Likewise (and to the case at bar), people who entered the US unlawfully, or who have overstayed a visa but applied for asylum, may be considered lawfully present while their asylum application is pending, but as yet have no lawful immigration status. …and I am getting the impression (from recent rhetoric) that the Trump administration is further taking the stance that merely having an asylum application pending, even if it does carry with it a right to remain in the US while it is pending, does not mean it cannot detain the applicant while the application is being adjudicated. As in, just because someone can’t be deported, doesn’t mean they have to be allowed to go free. And how long does it take the government to adjudicate an asylum application? Quite often many years. Very kafkaesque. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3544 "2025-06-12T23:26:21Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > A bit ago I looked up a scene from the 1987 _Dragnet_ comedy movie. In which I was reminded that Sgt Friday’s nemesis was an evil gang called the P.A.G.A.N. s: > > **P** eople > **A** gainst > **G** oodness > **A** nd > **N** iceness > > Which pretty well summarizes the worldview of trump, all trump staffers, and most trump supporters. And most of the elected R party. **Nitpick:** it’s **P** eople **A** gainst **G** oodness **A** nd **N** ormalcy. I love that movie. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3545 "2025-06-12T23:27:31Z")
Thanks. I’d have assumed being legally in the country was a prerequisite to being issued a work permit. But that assumes we have a designed system designed to logical goals. Not a hodgepodge representing 75 years of partisan bickering and little else. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3546 "2025-06-12T23:28:23Z")
I loved the movie too. But I prefer my version of the acronym. At least as a renaming of MAGA. It’s what they actually stand for: a goodness & niceness-free society. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3547 "2025-06-12T23:34:59Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Thanks. I’d have assumed being legally in the country was a prerequisite to being issued a work permit. Keep in mind the advantage of workers not officially being allowed here. They won’t dare complain about mistreatment, don’t get government benefits while still paying taxes, and you can have them deported after they do the job instead of paying them. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3548 "2025-06-12T23:37:55Z")
I have a feeling the trump admin is moving swiftly toward the position that 99% of the time, only **citizens** have a legal right to be in the USA. And 1% of citizens might be subject to deportation at trump’s whim. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3549 "2025-06-13T00:12:58Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > And 1% of citizens might be subject to deportation at trump’s whim Lots more than 1%. Roughly 50% of Americans are Democrats. Over 50% live in blue states. They’re all anti-trump terrorists in his febrile toddler imagination. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3550 "2025-06-13T00:25:26Z")
Okay, they’re not actually voters, but this has strong Leopard face-eating vibes. > **[Afrikaner family stranded in the US appeals for help after seeking refuge](https://www.capetownetc.com/news/afrikaner-family-stranded-in-the-us-appeals-for-help-after-seeking-refuge/)** > > Reports have emerged that a family of Afrikaners has found themselves in an alarming predicament after allegedly being stranded in a hotel in Montana, US, with no food, money, or means of communication: > However, the reality for the Afrikaner family appears to be considerably different from their expectations. > > According to the TikTok user, the family were under the impression that upon their arrival, they would be provided with comprehensive assistance including housing, jobs, and healthcare. > > Unfortunately, their experience has been marred by the harsh reality that few have the resources or network to facilitate such support in a new country. Healthcare? They really expected _healthcare_ out of the GOP government?!? Hahahahahahahaha! ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3551 "2025-06-13T00:31:50Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > …evil gang called the P.A.G.A.N. s We’ve got **T** raitorious **R** apist **U** ninformed **M** yopic **P** eckerwoods ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3552 "2025-06-13T00:35:42Z")
Pancho Barnes: See, some peckerwood’s gotta get elected. And some peckerwood’s gotta destroy the America we knew. And that “peckerwood” is called Donald Trump. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3553 "2025-06-13T00:36:45Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > > However, the reality for the Afrikaner family appears to be considerably different from their expectations. > > > > According to the TikTok user, the family were under the impression that upon their arrival, they would be provided with comprehensive assistance including housing, jobs, and healthcare. > > > > Unfortunately, their experience has been marred by the harsh reality that few have the resources or network to facilitate such support in a new country. > > Healthcare? They really expected _healthcare_ out of the GOP government?!? Hahahahahahahaha Thanks for sharing. I was wondering how long it would be before we got a story like this. Like, I don’t get all the people who imagine that immigrants are coming to the US to “leach” off our “amazing” social safety net. I mean, like, LOL, what social safety net. To the extent we have the remnants of one, most new immigrants, including new legal permanent residents, aren’t even eligible for it. Those who are… well, you see what this family of white supremacists is crying about. Fuck 'em. For the first time ever, I will say it: go back to Africa. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3554 "2025-06-13T00:42:42Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > Like, I don’t get all the people who imagine that immigrants are coming to the US to “leach” off our “amazing” social safety net. I mean, like, LOL, what social safety net. The one that exists in their own head. The Right thinks poor people live in state-supported luxury. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3555 "2025-06-13T00:45:40Z")
I hear that in some states the poors are guaranteed running water and sometimes it’s even slightly heated. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3556 "2025-06-13T00:46:40Z")
Yeah. Gutters in southern states are often warm. ---
**Author:** ![SunUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3557 "2025-06-13T02:28:03Z")
Her reason for voting for Trump is incredible: > …she’d hoped that his [Department of Government Efficiency](https://www.npr.org/2025/05/30/nx-s1-5415641/musk-leaves-doge-what-comes-next) would bring technical expertise and upgrades to the Social Security Administration. > > “But what they’re doing now is just eliminating the people and leaving the rest with the outdated computer system,” she says. She worked for the federal government for over three decades, and she hadn’t figured out that one of the nation’s parties is absolutely committed to ensuring that the federal government _cannot do its job_ - and, moreover, actually votes for that party? Talk about your low-information voter. I can’t even… ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3558 "2025-06-13T02:33:13Z")
Hint: they’re _all_ that way. Every stinkin’ one of the 77 million people who voted for a kleptocratic autocracy led by a splenetic retarded toddler. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3559 "2025-06-13T02:37:04Z")
> [@SunUp](#): > > She worked for the federal government for over three decades, and she hadn’t figured out that one of the nation’s parties is absolutely committed to ensuring that the federal government _cannot do its job_ - and, moreover, actually votes for that party? Talk about your low-information voter. Just want to quote something I wrote in my Medicare thread, a pastiche of a passage written in Ayn Rand’s _Atlas Shrugged_. The specific topic I was addressing was Medicare, but this is applicable to almost any government program enjoyed by Republicans: > [@](#): > > _It is said that catastrophes are a matter of pure chance, and there were those who would have said that every person trapped in the Medicare system were not guilty or responsible for the thing which happened to them._ > > _Sandra, 69, was a Tulsa OK nurse her entire life who complained about taxes and kept voting for Republicans because they said they would keep her taxes low. When she retired, she was surprised to find out that dental and vision are covered so poorly by Medicare and the other plans. Upon being told that a dental plan would cost $47.95 month and cover $2k of work, she got mad and said she “deserved” free dental._ > > _David, 72, sat in his Jacksonville house, his knee aching. He wanted to call the clinic, but knew there would be a $45 copay and then the medicines prescribed might not even be on his new plans formulary. He knew it was because all the Blacks drained the benefits and didn’t leave anything for him, and he tells every person who calls his phone about Medicare exactly what he thinks about that._ > > _Winthrop, 84, was a professor of economics who taught that individualism was the way, that collective measures were doomed to fail, and who’s highest professional attainment was a White House dinner during the Bush Administration where the topic was his paper supporting the privatization of social security. Unfortunately, Winthrop’s mind started to go at 73, with his family taking his social security and medicare cards 3 years later, after he signed up for a Medicare Advantage plan, therefore losing his university retirement benefits._ > > _Jim, 47, campaigned on reducing social security and medicare taxes during his undergrad days because the numbers showed the programs wouldn’t be around for 30 years and why should he have to pay for it? Now, 4 years disabled, on Medicare and Medicaid, he gets fantastic benefits through his UHC D-SNP and still campaigns and votes for smaller government and the fight against socialism._ > > _Juanita, 72, never cared about politics, figured they were all crooks anyway, voted as her husband Rigoberto voted, which was usually Republican except for that one time they voted for Obama. 'Berto died a couple of years ago and since then it’s been hard, real hard. They voted for Trump in 2016 and Juanita will never understand why the world is so hard, but she accepts that it is and she has no control over it._ > > _Leonard, 78, was a reporter for the Denver Post who wrote hard-hitting articles on Hillary Clinton back in the 1990s. He was a liberal and wanted socialized medicine, but he wanted to appear “fair” and “balanced” and, for some reason, chose her as his target, finally convincing himself to vote for Trump in 2016. He is now wondering where he is going to get $2,000 for a hearing aid._ > > _Ruth, 87, spent 60 years voting for men whom she knew nothing about so they could run a government whom she was taught to disdain and is having to parse out her diabetes medications because she can’t afford $47 for Januvia._ > > _Believing and voting as he did that “the government which governs best governs least”, Tom wants to know why he has to pay $195 for a MRI when he “worked and paid into the system for 45 years” and is bitter because the system he is faced with is far more complicated than the system he dealt with at work._ > > _Jane, 74, a retired schoolteacher who lost her retirement benefits out of a misplaced sense of competence in the insurance field, spent the last 10 years of her career turning class after class of teens into sullen voices, telling them their only value was that of which they would be paid for, that their dreams were of little value and that they had better “face the real world” as she has._ > > _The pain from his sciatica flare-ups slowly increasing, 66yo Roger’s greatest disappointment of the past 10 years was when John McCain voted thumbs-down to save that communist-loving Obama’s precious medical plan. Had that Obamacare had been overturned, Roger’s taxes would be lower and he would have a cheaper medical plan. He knew it!_ > > _Thelma had a son who worked in the Trump administration, a job whose nature she avoided asking, just knowing it had something to do with immigration. Thelma told herself that it didn’t matter, that it’s only those others that they hurt, then she cut her amlodipine tablet in half, knowing her social security wasn’t coming in for another 9 days._ > > _Ricardo still believed as Rush said, that the worst thing you could hear was “I’m from the government and I’m here to help”. Ricardo was OK, though, as he was of Mexican citizenship and went to Mexico whenever he needed medical attention, not trusting our crazy, insanely expensive and complicated system. Living in Laredo made this easy, except that one time he broke his leg and had to drive himself across the border._ > > _These clients, more, for there was not a person among them who did not share the same beliefs, actively worked them into reality, and not a single one of them understood that they… in their own small way… have created the hell in which they’re living._ Low-information indeed! ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3560 "2025-06-13T02:59:33Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Healthcare? They really expected _healthcare_ out of the GOP government?!? Maybe they are having a few regrets. Healthcare is often free in South Africa (and we have an incredible public hospital system). You pay based on your ability to pay, the government handles the rest. I’m happy that is where some of my tax ends up. I pay for health insurance, which gets me into a more comfortable hospital with better food, but often - especially for major surgery - people are transferred to government funded public hospitals, because that is where the expertise is. The worlds first heart transplant was done in a government funded hospital just about 500m from where I am now. (Granted, different government, but the policies on public health have not changed) Absolutely the opposite of the USA. And we are a “shit-hole country” according to TACO Trump. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=177) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=179)