# Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 12, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166 "2024-11-12T19:54:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 195
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3881 "2025-07-11T12:15:35Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Well, it’s a cult. I know a lot of people refer kind of glibly to “the Trump cult,” but it really is exactly that, in the full and formal sense of the word. Yeah, that’s really the best label for this group. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3882 "2025-07-11T12:17:31Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > “Cult” is regarded as insulting; almost nobody thinks of a group _they_ belong to as a cult. It’s those crazy guys _over there_ who are in a cult. Luckily, there’s no shortage of them calling the left the Global Warming Cult, the Green New Deal Cult, the Woke Cult, the Climate Cult etc (these all popped up on the first page when I searched foxnews for ‘cult’). Given that they’re not only accusing the left of being in a cult, but also purposefully diluting the meaning of the word itself, I’d put this in the ‘every accusation’ category. Even if being a Trump supporter/MAGA doesn’t meet the specific criteria for being a cult, they’re still trying to get in front of it and make sure their viewers already see the the other side as the ones being in the cult. Anchor biases are strong. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Duality](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.duality/32/4098_2.png) [@Mr.Duality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Duality)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3883 "2025-07-11T13:16:20Z")
I like to ask them what Trump could do to convince them that they made a mistake in supporting him. They usually say “nothing”. So, Dear Leader can do no wrong. That is indeed cultish behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3884 "2025-07-11T14:08:39Z")
> [@Mr.Duality](#): > > I like to ask them what Trump could do to convince them that they made a mistake in supporting him. They usually say “nothing”. So, Dear Leader can do no wrong. That is indeed cultish behavior. I’m trying not to be the +1 type, but yeah that’s +1. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3885 "2025-07-11T14:38:28Z")
I’ll suggest what they’re really answering is “Nothing. That he would really do. Since I ‘know’ he e.g. won’t offer amnesty and citizenship to all the illegal immigrants, I don’t need to concern myself with how I might react to that impossible hypothetical. IOW trump’s actions will always mirror my desires and therefore my desires will always mirror trump’s actions.” The belief is strong on those folks. The illogicality too. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3886 "2025-07-11T15:21:49Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Note, when they are faced with the facts they have done something that is not legal, their reaction is “I’m not a bad person”. Conceptually, ‘law-abiding’ and ‘good person’ are equivalent. That laws aren’t a moral judgment or that a person can be good and still run afoul of the law is conceptually beyond most of them. Yep. They view it as a matter of way-of-being as opposed to a matter of things-you-do. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3887 "2025-07-11T16:09:13Z")
Their arrow of causation also runs opposite to reality. It should be “I break a law therefore I’m a bad behaver therefore a bad person.” But in their mind it’s “I’m a good person therefore I have good behaviors therefore when I break a law the law was wrong and that was a still good thing to do.” ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3888 "2025-07-11T19:56:33Z")
Ehrmantraut: The lesson is, if you’re gonna be a criminal, do your homework. Price: Wait, I-I’m not a bad guy, I don… Ehrmantraut: I didn’t say you’re a bad guy, I said that you’re a criminal. Price: What’s the difference? Ehrmantraut: I’ve known good criminals and bad cops, bad priests, honorable thieves; you can be on one side of the law or the other, but if you make a deal with somebody, you keep your word. You can go home today with your money and never do this again, but you took something that wasn’t yours and you sold it for a profit. You’re now a criminal; good one, bad one - that’s up to you. –_Better Call Saul_ ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2025, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3889 "2025-07-12T00:06:02Z")
[This isn’t about someone who voted for the felon, but one who supports him.](https://www.aol.com/news/n-h-green-card-holder-200857712.html) > [@](#): > > A New Hampshire man is not being allowed to return home after taking a family trip to Canada. > > Chris Landry is a legal U.S. resident and has lived in the Granite State since he was 3 years old. He has a partner, five children and a job in manufacturing. > > He was stopped Sunday at the border in Houlton, Maine, while returning from a family vacation. > > “They pulled me aside and started questioning me about my past convictions in New Hampshire,” Landry told NBC10 Boston. > > Three hours later, the 46-year-old was told he couldn’t come home, despite having a green card and being a legal U.S. resident. > > “They denied me re-entry and said, ‘Don’t come back or we will detain you,’ and the only way for me to get back in was to see an immigration judge,” he told NBC10 Boston from New Brunswick. > > In 2004 and 2007, Landry faced charges of marijuana possession and driving with a suspended license, but he says he’s had no criminal record since then. > > He was given a suspended sentence and paid his fines. > > “I never thought that that would threaten my status as a resident of the United States,” he said. & > [@](#): > > “It’s just very uncertain for me right now,” said Landry. “I might end up spending the rest of my life in Canada. Who knows if I’ll ever have the right to re-enter the United States at this point?” & > [@](#): > > As a Canadian citizen, he couldn’t vote for president, but he supported [Donald Trump](https://www.nbcboston.com/tag/donald-trump/). > > He blames the Trump administration’s [crackdown on immigration](https://www.nbcboston.com/tag/immigration/) for his plight. > > “I was definitely all for ‘Make America Great Again,’ and having a strong, unified country, and a bright future for my five American children, but now I feel a little differently,” he said. “I’ve been torn from my family. My life has been disregarded completely.” Lucky for him, the only leopards in Canada are in zoos. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2025, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3890 "2025-07-12T00:10:54Z")
What it comes down to is that he supported the candidate that was going to use any least little legal transgression as a reason to deport people without considering that he himself had a couple black marks on his own record. He thought his law-breaking wouldn’t count. Well, it does. I feel a teeny bit bad for his family, not so much for him. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2025, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3891 "2025-07-12T00:11:12Z")
This idjit leopard victim was already mentioned upthread: > [@Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3870): > > Chris Landry, 46, is a Canadian national who has lived in New Hampshire since he was a toddler. He said he has visited his home country annually without issue for decades, but things changed for the worse on Sunday. That’s when Landry was informed at a Maine border crossing—on his way home from a family vacation with three of his 5 children—that his green card had been revoked and that he would be arrested if he tried to return home without permission. “I was definitely all for ‘Make Amer… s But it’s a story so juicy it warrants gloating over more than once. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2025, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3892 "2025-07-12T04:17:09Z")
Here’s a new one, but with a plot twist: when the leopards come for _her_ face, she asks them if they would like a cold brew to wash it down! > **[Detained in immigration raids, Maga mom still has faith in Trump's mass...](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3vd1vn9n06o)** > > Speaking from a detention facility in California, an Iranian immigrant says she believes "the good people will be released". Of course she is convinced that she is one of those “good people” who will be released, despite being convicted over burglary and having her green card revoked years ago. I hope she breaks down crying and they have to carry her handcuffed and shackled ass onto the plane to deport her to South Sudan. Actually, her insistence that she is a “good” person despite being a fascist reminds of a poem: > **[On Bertolt Brecht’s “The Interrogation of the Good”](https://songsofbabylon.com/2025/05/04/fp14/)** > > The firing squads are purely aspirational, I assure you. Did I say aspirational? I meant metaphorical. Anyway, it’s got nothing to do with current events and references to fascism are entirel… ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2025, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3893 "2025-07-13T01:52:00Z")
There is for many people a definitional disonnance involving two concepts: lawbreaker/wrongdoer in one hand and “criminal” in the other, by which the latter term has a connotation not just of being irresponsible or scofflaw, but of _ **evil** _ or at least _violence_. For them, criminality is not a legal condition but a moral one and the threshold is much higher. So, “sure I broke the law, but I’m no criminal!” ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2025, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3894 "2025-07-13T02:04:54Z")
Today we have Trump gaslighting all the MAGA true believers out there who took him at his word when he said he’d reveal the truth about Epstein. Today’s version of the truth is that it’s fake news, made up by Obama, Clinton, etc.: > **[Trump defends Bondi amid MAGA fallout over her handling of Epstein...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-defends-bondi-amid-maga-223821890.html)** > > President Donald Trump offered a full-throated defense of Attorney General Pam Bondi on Saturday amid criticism from some in his base over the release of a memo about accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein, writing on Truth Social that Bondi is doing... Jesus fuck does this Trump guy ever fall for hoaxes a lot. Easiest MF in the universe to hoax and it happens to him every goddamn day. As for his followers, I wonder if cognitive dissonance can cause actual injury. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2025, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3895 "2025-07-13T05:58:07Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > There is for many people a definitional disonnance involving two concepts: lawbreaker/wrongdoer in one hand and “criminal” in the other, by which the latter term has a connotation not just of being irresponsible or scofflaw, but of _ **evil** _ or at least _violence_. For them, criminality is not a legal condition but a moral one and the threshold is much higher. So, “sure I broke the law, but I’m no criminal!” There’s often a grain of truth in conservative thinking. Most wouldn’t say that those who receive parking tickets are criminals. Even law abiding citizens who pay their parking tickets wouldn’t call someone who just tossed a ticket to be a criminal. Irresponsible? Sure. But not quite criminal. So there’s a line somewhere, and it’s unsurprising that people who draw them privilege themselves. It’s another step of course to enthusiastically support the mass deportation of a group with statistically _lower_ criminality than the native born. In general, I have some degree of sympathy or at least acceptance for certain conservative sentiments that I don’t personally share. It’s disappointing that so many conservatives lack the character to set lines that they won’t cross without very good reason. A man has got to know his limitations. [Cite](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uki4lrLzRaU). ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2025, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3896 "2025-07-13T06:44:41Z")
“..for the growing good of the world is partly dependent on unhistoric acts; and that things are not so ill with you and me as they might have been, is half owing to the number who lived faithfully a hidden life, and rest in unvisited tombs.” ― George Eliot, [Middlemarch] We often quote the “_common clay of the West… you know: morons_” gag here. We congratulate ourselves that ordinary folks are stupid, and easily fall for atrocious stupidities. Myself in particular, raised Catholic, am convinced that the self, left to its own devices, will not rise above self-interest and bigotry without the guidance of more enlightened minds. “Our Betters,” (though they’ve never failed to fail us throughout history.) Or we can wait in hope that the ordinary people, ignorant and blissful of the condition, will abandon Donald Trump as mindlessly as they embraced him. I don’t ask too much of them beyond that; whenever the Hell they’re fucking ready to do so. Of the thousands of Germans squatting and cleaning bricks in 1945, many undoubtedly did so while still cherishing Hitler and blaming Jews; but the overwhelming majority’s minds were simply focused on the brick at hand. Let’s hope that similarly-beguiled Americans won’t have to be brought that low that their fires of pride and hate cannot be fed. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2025, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3897 "2025-07-13T12:38:42Z")
I saw a classic surprise-awaiter yesterday. It’s around lunch time and I’m eating a sandwich in a sandwich shop in a working class neighborhood. Forty-ish stocky white guy at the next table doing the same. Buzzjob haircut, strong hands, tanned weathered face. This is on Sat, but he’s wearing a t-shirt, long pants, and well worn lace-up work boots. This dude _works_. He gets up from the table & I get a look at his shirt. Dark blue with a large American flag across the chest with a christian cross superimposed. Above the graphic is “Jesus is my Savior”. Below the graphic is “Trump is my President” The cognitive dissonance is strong in that one. All I could think of as he walked out was “Smithers! Release the leopards!” ---
**Author:** ![iamatractorboy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iamatractorboy/32/21261_2.png) [@iamatractorboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamatractorboy)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2025, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3898 "2025-07-13T13:25:42Z")
As a Brit, I cannot imagine ever having the name of the prime minister emblazoned on my chest. Even if I thought they were the best we’d ever had. It is just bizarre hero-worship. ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2025, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3899 "2025-07-13T13:33:13Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Even law abiding citizens who pay their parking tickets wouldn’t call someone who just tossed a ticket to be a criminal. Irresponsible? Sure. But not quite criminal. > > So there’s a line somewhere, and it’s unsurprising that people who draw them privilege themselves. Sure , there’s a line somewhere - and if these Trump supporting types who are being deported had violated some non-criminal law like parking illegaly, I could maybe understand. But when a conviced felon, who was convicted of burglary and grand theft says > “It’s his doing for open borders, but I believe in the system and all the good people will be released and the ones that are bad will be sent back.” she’s basically saying that whether someone is a good person or not is completely unrelated to the crimes they may have committed and you can still be a good person if you have committed felonies. Or at least, she, a biusiness owner, can. Not sure if she thinks that a Mexican laborer can still be a good person even if he’s here illegally. Because I get the impression that a lot of this surprise is racist , and the Trump supporting people who are here illegally are mostly from certain parts of the world, not others. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2025, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/3900 "2025-07-13T13:36:11Z")
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