# Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 12, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166 "2024-11-12T19:54:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/381 "2024-11-28T03:28:30Z")
Congress, the judicial system, the bureaucracy, the governments of 50 states and assorted territories, to name a few. What makes you think Trump can tell state governments how and to whom to issue birth certificates? Keep in mind while answering that if there is no birth certificate then there is no proof of parentage, and foundlings are US citizens by default unless it can be affirmatively proven that they were born somewhere other than the US. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/382 "2024-11-28T03:36:31Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > …and they aren’t going to start any time soon, because that’s not a power granted to the federal government by the Constitution, therefore making it a 10th amendment matter for the states to handle, and the Constitution isn’t getting amended in any of our lifetimes. Did you see what I said above about his excuse for that? He’s going to declare that’s not within the state’s perogatives as citizenship is a determination of the federal government. > [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > What prevents Trump from violating the Constitution? Right. The current Supremes turned the constitution into naught but a rag with their decision regarding Trump and his legal liabilities. That decision is pure and unmitigated nonsense. Remember in the run-up to impeachment, the pubbies said the proper venue to pursue those charges is via the courts. Then when that happened, the pubbies said the proper venue to pursue those charges is via impeachment. And the Supremes just abrogated the impeachment clause regarding the president anyway. @Smapti You’re talking about the legal situation _now_. Aren’t you aware that Trump and his enablers want to and wiill do what they can to change that? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/383 "2024-11-28T03:53:39Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > He’s going to declare that’s not within the state’s perogatives as citizenship is a determination of the federal government. Which, from a legal standpoint, means fuck-all. He can declare that the 79th element on the periodic table is now called Trumpium for all the effect it would have. > [@Monty](#): > > You’re talking about the legal situation _now_. Aren’t you aware that Trump and his enablers want to and wiill do what they can to change that? “What they can do to change that” is nothing. Birthright citizenship is explicitly guaranteed in the Constitution and there’s not going to be any amendments in the next four years. Any attempt to legislate a change in citizenship law is impossible because Republicans don’t have 60 votes in the Senate. And any attempt to overrule the law by presidential fiat will not survive judicial review. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/384 "2024-11-28T04:01:30Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Congress, the judicial system, the bureaucracy, the governments of 50 states and assorted territories, to name a few. Which of those, if any, have laws that enforce themselves? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/385 "2024-11-28T04:02:00Z")
All of them. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/386 "2024-11-28T04:02:42Z")
None of them. ---
**Author:** ![DaveUnknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/94ad74/32.png) [@DaveUnknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaveUnknown)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/387 "2024-11-28T04:09:43Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > He can declare that the 79th element on the periodic table is now called Trumpium for all the effect it would have. I could see this being floated. “There can be no central power that claims anything…” even though they want their power centralized ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/388 "2024-11-28T04:10:39Z")
Yeah-huh. So when Trump declares “ALL YOUR BIRTH CERTIFICATE LAWS ARE NULL AND VOID, ONLY I GET TO DECKDE WHO HAS BEEN BORN”, you expect the state of California’s response to be what, exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/389 "2024-11-28T04:14:15Z")
It ain’t “all or nothing”, sorry. Is there a reason you used California instead of Florida, Wyoming, Idaho, Colorado or West Virginia? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/390 "2024-11-28T04:18:56Z")
Is there a reason you didn’t answer the question I asked you? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/391 "2024-11-28T04:19:59Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > The excuse he will use is that citizenship is a federal perogative and thus the states do not get to make that determination. So using Dred Scott v Sanford as a precedent? That’s a heavy lift for SCOTUS. > [@Smapti](#): > > The federal government doesn’t issue birth certificates. Not in DC? > [@Monty](#): > > You’re talking about the legal situation _now_. Aren’t you aware that Trump and his enablers want to and wiill do what they can to change that? That has been discussed already. Y’all are assuming he has Thantos’ glove. > [@Smapti](#): > > Any attempt to legislate a change in citizenship law is impossible because Republicans don’t have 60 votes in the Senate. And changes in the Constitution requires 3/4 of the states. There are not 38 red states. > [@Smapti](#): > > . So when Trump declares “ALL YOUR BIRTH CERTIFICATE LAWS ARE NULL AND VOID, ONLY I GET TO DECKDE WHO HAS BEEN BORN”, you expect the state of California’s response to be what, exactly? Or citizen who immediately file suit in District Court. Every judge rolls over? > [@Czarcasm](#): > > It ain’t “all or nothing”, sorry. Is there a reason you used California instead of Florida, Wyoming, Idaho, Colorado or West Virginia? Why did you drag us into this? Colorado is a blue state. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/392 "2024-11-28T04:23:19Z")
Whoopsie on Colorado. ---
**Author:** ![Zyada](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zyada/32/3028_2.png) [@Zyada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyada)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/393 "2024-11-28T04:23:49Z")
You seem to think it will happen all at once. But the Republicans have been very good at playing the long con. ---
**Author:** ![Zyada](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zyada/32/3028_2.png) [@Zyada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyada)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/394 "2024-11-28T04:25:32Z")
You should have said Texas. We will probably be the first. 😡 ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/395 "2024-11-28T04:29:41Z")
> [@Zyada](#): > > You seem to think it will happen all at once. No, I don’t expect that it’ll happen at all. Our government does things slowly almost by design. The legal challenges to such an act would not be resolved by the time we have another Democratic president. ---
**Author:** ![Zyada](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zyada/32/3028_2.png) [@Zyada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyada)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/396 "2024-11-28T04:31:10Z")
It won’t happen like this. He’ll start with making a federal bureau that “oversees” the process. Then gradually takes more power. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/397 "2024-11-28T04:41:06Z")
> [@Zyada](#): > > He’ll start with making a federal bureau that “oversees” the process. …which would need an act of Congress to authorize it, which will not happen, because they won’t have 60 votes in the Senate. ---
**Author:** ![Zyada](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zyada/32/3028_2.png) [@Zyada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyada)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/398 "2024-11-28T05:05:49Z")
So this was just a straw man then? Just because you can’t figure out how to do it doesn’t mean he can’t find a way to wiggle around the laws. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/399 "2024-11-28T05:12:02Z")
> [@Zyada](#): > > So this was just a straw man then? What was “just a straw man”? > [@Zyada](#): > > Just because you can’t figure out how to do it doesn’t mean he can’t find a way to wiggle around the laws. Every single time one of these arguments comes around it always boils down to “Trump can do whatever he wants and nobody can stop him”, which, aside from that being exactly what he wants people to believe, is simply not realistic. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/400 "2024-11-28T05:16:10Z")
Does that sound better than “Trump is completely ineffectual and is easily stopped”, or “All laws enforce themselves”? Frankly, I am damn glad that there are people prepping for when/if the shit hits the fan instead of just saying “Don’t worry your pretty little heads about anything-nothing can possible go wrong”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=21)