# Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Tags:** trump
**Created:** [November 12, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166 "2024-11-12T19:54:17Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2025, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4335 "2025-08-21T16:51:17Z")
What passes for self-described “conservative” these days believes that there is an order to the universe where some are the deserving and some are the undeserving and that helping those in need is still conditional on that. So the _deserving_ vulnerable should be “helped” with incentives to the family caregivers, the _undeserving_ vulnerable who may require direct care from public services, must not.
And what’s hitting them is that faced with funding cuts, states are trying to protect the core program to give basic health care to the poor, and backing down on high-dollar-low-numbers programs such as hers.
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### Author:  [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2025, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4336 "2025-08-21T17:39:44Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#):
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> Conservatives believe that the government has no place caring for the vulnerable. They believe people should care for themselves, adults are to perform useful work so that they can care for themselves and their children. Adults should not be relying on the government for payments to care for their families.
That’s certainly the cartoon version.
But what do these “conservatives” believe ought to happen to vulnerable people who do not have someone else to provide / care for them or when the most provision they can muster is simply inadequate?
What is the “conservative” answer to that problem? Is it “Sucks to be you, go starve or die under a bridge.”?
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### Author:  [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2025, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4337 "2025-08-21T17:41:10Z")
The modern conservative _is_ a cartoon version of what they used to be.
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### Author:  [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2025, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4338 "2025-08-21T17:41:18Z")
I think it’s '“their church will help them, which is why it’s important not to tax churches”.
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### Author:  [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2025, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4339 "2025-08-21T17:49:19Z")
That, and more broadly, “that’s what charities are for.”
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### Author:  [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2025, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4340 "2025-08-21T17:57:59Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#):
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> What is the “conservative” answer to that problem? Is it “Sucks to be you, go starve or die under a bridge.”?
“This is why you need to go to a church so your church community can help you out like good Christians”
No joke, that’s the answer got when I asked one of them that question.
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### Author:  [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2025, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4341 "2025-08-21T18:04:13Z")
To clarify, the historical Conservative view was to give everyone the same opportunities like the best K-12 education in the world, affordable college, a job where raises and promotions are based on a meritocracy, &c. If you choose not to take advantage then that’s on you. Agree or disagree with that philosophy all you want and consider the historical context of the time, but current conservatism is
Opportunities for those that agree with my political/religious/social views are acceptable.
I gots mine so everyone else can fuck off.
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### Author:  [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2025, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4342 "2025-08-21T19:26:38Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#):
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> But what do these “conservatives” believe ought to happen to vulnerable people who do not have someone else to provide / care for them or when the most provision they can muster is simply inadequate?
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> What is the “conservative” answer to that problem? Is it “Sucks to be you, go starve or die under a bridge.”?
Yes; their solution is death. The poor and sick should just die and not be a “drain on society”.
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### Author:  [@Ellecram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellecram)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2025, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4343 "2025-08-21T20:02:52Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#):
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> I think it’s '“their church will help them, which is why it’s important not to tax churches”.
So us atheists without families are supposed to go die in a corner somewhere?
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### Author:  [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2025, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4344 "2025-08-21T20:33:51Z")
> [@Ellecram](#):
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> So us atheists without families are supposed to go die in a corner somewhere?
Yeah, until you start pledging your allegiance to a liege lord. (Or, you know, some kinda neofeudal corporation…)
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### Author:  [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2025, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4345 "2025-08-21T20:37:42Z")
> [@Ellecram](#):
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> So us atheists without families are supposed to go die in a corner somewhere?
As God intended.
> [@LSLGuy](#):
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> But what do these “conservatives” believe ought to happen to vulnerable people who do not have someone else to provide / care for them or when the most provision they can muster is simply inadequate?
Get a job. Duh! And if you do have a job and it is not enough, obviously you need to work harder.
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### Author:  [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2025, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4346 "2025-08-21T21:14:41Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#):
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> Yes; their solution is death. The poor and sick should just die and not be a “drain on socie
Or to borrow from Charles Dickens, “If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.”
Press on.
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### Author:  [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2025, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4347 "2025-08-21T21:58:28Z")
> [@Ellecram](#):
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> > [@Thing.Fish](#):
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> > I think it’s '“their church will help them, which is why it’s important not to tax churches”.
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> So us atheists without families are supposed to go die in a corner somewhere?
Either that, or you need Jeebus in your life.
Or -
> [@SunUp](#):
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> Yeah, until you start pledging your allegiance to a liege lord. (Or, you know, some kinda neofeudal corporation…)
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### Author:  [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2025, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4348 "2025-08-21T22:48:13Z")
> [@Ellecram](#):
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> So us atheists without families are supposed to go die in a corner somewhere?
Or ideally in their view, we’d be tortured to death on national television.
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### Author:  [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2025, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4349 "2025-08-22T00:15:29Z")
Reminder that I thoughtfully created a **Leopard hijack thread**. The rants here are topical there.
> [@Resolved: America is a dystopian shithole and madmonk28 is planning to emigrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/resolved-america-is-a-dystopian-shithole-and-madmonk28-is-planning-to-emigrate/1022330/):
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> Continuing the discussion from [Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4247): I have no problem with madmonk expressing this perception, I just think he’s doing it in the wrong thread. Also, there’s no shame in exploring the possibility of emigration and not carrying it out. Those who attack madmonk28 in a year or five for not emigrating or the opposite are being assholes in my view. It’s a big project and madmonk28 has explicitly said that he’s not sure he can pull it off.
There’s also a thread for _substantive_ discussion in GD, should your rant be sufficiently adaptable:
> [@Questions for those that think that the U.S.A. will collapse...and the sooner, the better](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-those-that-think-that-the-u-s-a-will-collapse-and-the-sooner-the-better/1022348):
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> I have heard from those, on this board and other places, that not only is the U.S. on a nonavoidable path to collapse, but the sooner it happens the better because what will replace it has to be better. What do you think will replace what we currently have going on, and what prevents things from getting worse instead of better?
**More Leopard news** from a couple of weeks ago in the Economist. Background: Alligator Alcatraz is an immigration detention facility _paid for by the state of Florida to the tune of $245 million_. It was constructed by a firm with no experience in building such facilities and could very well become a death trap during hurricane season, depending in part on whether FL has made sufficient evacuation plans. A few Trump supporters are not happy. Emphasis added:
> In Miami, where 70% of people are Hispanic, the deportation theatre is not going over well. Many expected the Trump administration to pick up gang members, but not cleaning ladies and Uber drivers. “Arbitrary measures to hunt down people who are complying with their immigration hearings” is “not what we voted for”, **the co-founder of Latinas for Trump wrote on X in June**. Conditions at Alligator Alcatraz resemble prisons in places their grandparents escaped. “Pick them up, throw them out, but don’t mock them,” one veteran Republican says of criminal immigrants. Another party strategist who “loves everything else Trump is doing” wonders how a country known for taking in “the poor and huddled masses” can also be “dragging them out to be tortured in the Everglades”.
> A majority of Americans agree. In recent polling 52% said the government is trying to deport more people than they expected; 57% opposed building new detention centres. Last month Mr Trump’s net approval rating on immigration flipped from positive to negative.
Sub req: [Alligator Alcatraz: an exercise in performative cruelty | The Economist](https://www.economist.com/interactive/united-states/2025/08/05/alligator-alcatraz-is-an-excercise-in-performative-cruelty)
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### Author:  [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2025, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4350 "2025-08-22T00:27:27Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#):
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> “Arbitrary measures to hunt down people who are complying with their immigration hearings” is “not what we voted for”, **the co-founder of Latinas for Trump wrote on X in June**.
Yes, yes it is.
Oh, you didn’t notice them telling you that that was exactly what you were voting for?
BTW, the ICE target you just put on your back goes well with your skin tone.
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### Author:  [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2025, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4351 "2025-08-22T00:36:15Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#):
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> It’s more than charisma. Like the uber-charisma people have where you just can’t help but listen to them and see them as a leader. It is so hard to explain.
“Charismagnetism”?
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### Author:  [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2025, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4352 "2025-08-22T01:20:09Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#):
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> Oh, you didn’t notice them telling you that that was exactly what you were voting for?
Trump is one of the few Presidents doing exactly what he promised. Ignorance is no excuse.
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### Author:  [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2025, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4353 "2025-08-22T11:56:21Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#):
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> It was constructed by a firm with no experience in building such facilities
> **[Federal judge orders closure of Trump’s ‘Alligator Alcatraz’ immigration jail](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/21/trump-alligator-alcatraz-judge-ruling)**
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> Judge’s order finds jail, which has attracted waves of criticism, was causing severe harm to Florida Everglades
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### Author:  [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2025, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4354 "2025-08-22T12:00:57Z")
In that article was this line:
> She also noted that a plan to develop the site on which the jail was built into a massive tourist airport was rejected in the 1960s because of the harm it would have caused the the land and delicate ecosystem.
And that rang a bell for me. Turns out I’ve seen two youtube videos (Mentor Pilot and Half As Interesting) about it:
[ ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFot0y6UJBk)
[ ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2814N7HmAQ)
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