# Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Tags:** trump
**Created:** [November 12, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166 "2024-11-12T19:54:17Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2025, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4395 "2025-08-26T12:57:31Z")
> [@enipla](#):
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> “Wow, that hurt, let me try my other foot”.
“I knew the leopard would eat _my_ face, but I thought it would tickle!”
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### Author:  [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2025, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4396 "2025-08-26T13:11:52Z")
> [@Monty](#):
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> I’ve heard of _snake_ wine, but _fox_? that sounds a bit hairy.
As noted already, wines deriving from Vitus Labrusca, the Fox Grape. Familiar to anyone who has eaten Welch’s concord grape jelly, or drunk Welch’s grape juice.
I grew up with Concord grapes from my grandmother’s grape vine, so to me, “foxy” is the natural flavor of grapes. When I went to grad school in upstate New York, I got to try wines made from the many fox varietals – not only Concord, but also Niagara (as noted), Diamond, Catawba, Delaware, and others. Niagara wine was the specialty of Widmer’s winery, which I used to be able to get in the Boston area, but which I can’t any more. I had no idea there were Canadian wineries making Niagara wine.
European winemakers disdained the “foxy” American wines as inferior, as did American connoisseurs\*\*\*.\*\*\*
I recall reading about some Civil War general who complained that all they had to drink at one point was Catawba. But it is possible to make Labrusca wines that don’t taste too sweet – try, for instance, the wines made by Bully Hill vineyards.
I also developed a love for grape pie, made with varieties of Fox grapes, usually Concord. I make at least one every year, and I try to obtain other varieties to use.
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### Author:  [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2025, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4397 "2025-08-26T13:39:51Z")
I love Canada. I love many Canadian products. I do not love Canadian whisky. I like both Bourbon and Scotch.
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### Author:  [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2025, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4398 "2025-08-26T13:58:44Z")
You can get some very nice rieslings from the Niagara region.
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### Author:  [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2025, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4399 "2025-08-26T14:02:24Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#):
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> Canadian….wine?
Yes. Does that surprise you? Some excellent wines come out of Niagara, Prince Edward County, and Point Pelee, all in Ontario. British Columbia makes some great ones as well, and Quebec and Nova Scotia are up and comers.
We can grow grapes and make fine wines here in Canada. Is that surprising?
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### Author:  [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2025, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4400 "2025-08-26T14:09:30Z")
> [@OldOlds](#):
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> I love Canada. I love many Canadian products. I do not love Canadian whisky. I like both Bourbon and Scotch.
You’ve obviously never had a superior Canadian whisky. Forget Canadian Club and Crown Royal. Try some Collingwood. Perfect neat or on the rocks:
> **[Collingwood Whisky](https://www.lcbo.com/en/collingwood-whisky-33267?srsltid=AfmBOoqEM9F4CWmbopaSDRbShcdHzILTaWnVjCFW7GjGRrD51c4qPJCm)**
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> 750 mL bottle
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### Author:  [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2025, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4401 "2025-08-26T15:16:07Z")
Yes and no. I’ve browsed a lot of liquor store aisles and have seen wines from dozens of countries, but never Canada. I mean, there are probably wines from Sweden and Ireland and God knows where else; I just haven’t ever encountered any.
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### Author:  [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2025, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4402 "2025-08-26T15:50:33Z")
> [@Spoons](#):
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> We can grow grapes and make fine wines here in Canada. Is that surprising?
As neither a wine drinker, nor a vintner, yes it surprises me. it was my understanding grapes needed a certain climate to grown to make acceptable wine, and Canadian winters weren’t it. Getting wine snobs to accept California wines as being anything more than bottled vinegar took a long time, and their climate is a lot different than Canada.
It would seem that assumption was not correct. Huh.
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### Author:  [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2025, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4403 "2025-08-26T16:04:26Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#):
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> It would seem that assumption was not correct. Huh.
An assumption that explicitly incorporates “snobbery” is doomed to be unreliable.
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### Author:  [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2025, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4404 "2025-08-26T17:04:32Z")
> [@gnoitall](#):
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> An assumption that explicitly incorporates “snobbery” is doomed to be unreliable.
I’m not the one judging wines. The battle to get California wines taken seriously took a long time. Sure it’s all settled now, but at the time they got nothing but derision from the wine _aficianados_.
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### Author:  [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2025, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4405 "2025-08-26T17:14:12Z")
[Wayne Gretsky owns a winery](https://waynegretzkyestates.com/). I’ve had a couple of the wines (got them at the Toronto airport). They’re pretty good.
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### Author:  [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2025, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4406 "2025-08-26T17:19:27Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#):
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> it was my understanding grapes needed a certain climate to grown to make acceptable wine, and Canadian winters weren’t it.
There are river valleys along the Niagara where the temperature is more moderate and allows for vineyards that wouldn’t be possible elsewhere in the vicinity.
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### Author:  [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2025, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4407 "2025-08-26T17:25:49Z")
> [@romansperson](#):
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> There are river valleys along the Niagara where the temperature is more moderate and allows for vineyards that wouldn’t be possible elsewhere in the vicinity.
Also along the Finger Lakes in upstate New York, which, it’s claimed, also has very good soil for grape growing.
Actually, I’m surprised at how many wineries have opened up in, for instance, New England. When first returned here in the late 80s there was only one winery around, near Pat’s Peak in New Hampshire. Now there are dozens of wineries in Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New Hampshire and Vermont. (Maine, probably, too, but I haven’t explored there). Ironically, that first one near Henniker closed.
There are also plenty of wineries near the Thousand Islands in upstate New York, and near Plattsburgh. And a lot of them on the eastern end of Long Island. It sometimes seems there isn’t anyplace grapes _won’t_ grow.
I grow enough concord (and other Labrusca grapes) in my own yard to make two grape pies every year.
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### Author:  [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2025, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4408 "2025-08-26T19:57:15Z")
Not to mention [sparkling Muscatel](https://youtu.be/lniNb9Kygjg?t=128) one finest wines of Idaho.
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### Author:  [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2025, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4409 "2025-08-26T22:42:17Z")
Gretzky can get fucked.
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### Author:  [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2025, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4410 "2025-08-26T22:43:17Z")
I’m shocked…shocked I tell you!
- [Young Voters Who Swung Right Are Already Regretting It](https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2025-08-26/trump-support-among-young-voters-is-fading-fast)
> One of the most surprising datapoints from President Donald Trump’s 2024 victory was his strength among young voters, a demographic that is typically a core part of the Democratic base. In 2020, President Joe Biden won this age [group (18-29) by 24 points.](https://circle.tufts.edu/2024-election) Yet, in 2024, Trump closed the gap, with former Vice President Kamala Harris winning this same group by just 4 points.
> Now, a [Pew Research Center poll](https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/08/14/trumps-tariffs-and-one-big-beautiful-bill-face-more-opposition-than-support-as-his-job-rating-slips/) shows Trump steadily losing ground with a larger young cohort, revealing weaknesses in the very group that helped him win in November. In February, Trump had a 92% approval rating among voters under 35 who cast a ballot for him. Since then, his approval rating has slumped to 69%, a loss of 23 percentage points, which is the largest drop of any age group among Trump’s voters.
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### Author:  [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2025, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4411 "2025-08-26T23:00:50Z")
When you get your daily dose of “reality” through your phone, shit happens.
Until real reality fucks you in the face. Then younger, more flexible personalities change POVs. Older, more rigid personalities double down on **STUPID**.
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### Author:  [@iamatractorboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamatractorboy)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2025, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4412 "2025-08-27T07:51:02Z")
> [@enipla](#):
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> Will Trump and the GOP in general EVER get tired of shooting themselves in the foot?
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> “Wow, that hurt, let me try my other foot”.
As long as someone they hate is getting shot in the chest/face, no, they won’t.
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### Author:  [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2025, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4413 "2025-08-27T14:21:50Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#):
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> As noted already, wines deriving from Vitus Labrusca, the Fox Grape. Familiar to anyone who has eaten Welch’s concord grape jelly, or drunk Welch’s grape juice.
Or drunk Manischewitz or Kedem kosher wines. Probably others, those are just the ones I have personal experience with. Standards of Kiddush and Passover gatherings across the Jewish US.
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### Author:  [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2025, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4414 "2025-08-27T14:37:37Z")
> [@Broomstick](#):
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> Or drunk Manischewitz or Kedem kosher wines. Probably others, those are just the ones I have personal experience with. Standards of Kiddush and Passover gatherings across the Jewish US.
Or Mogen David.
But it’s not just Jewish wines. The wines made by the Cribari family of Barry wines for Catholic mass are pretty awful, too.
Obviously, when God selects someone to be in the ministerial service, He/She takes away their wine discrimination ability.
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