# Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 12, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166 "2024-11-12T19:54:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/421 "2024-11-28T19:26:28Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Because Trump was never found guilty of the crime of insurrection. “Everybody knows he did it” does not exempt one from due process. Correction from Colorado. He was never found guilty of the **Federal** crime of insurrection. SCOTUS specifically pointed that out. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/422 "2024-11-28T19:29:48Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Correction from Colorado. He was never found guilty of the **Federal** crime of insurrection. He was never found guilty of insurrection in Colorado either. A state judge deemed that he had engaged in insurrection during a civil proceeding. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/423 "2024-11-28T20:16:35Z")
> [@Zyada](#): > > Just because you can’t figure out how to do it doesn’t mean he can’t find a way to wiggle around the laws. It wasn’t that long ago that Roe v. Wade was a settled issue. You’re right, just because they couldn’t wiggle around it in a sane world doesn’t mean they can’t now. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/424 "2024-11-28T20:16:47Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Because Trump was never found guilty of the crime of insurrection. Of course not, he’s immune to the law. ---
**Author:** ![Zyada](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zyada/32/3028_2.png) [@Zyada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyada)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/425 "2024-11-28T20:19:53Z")
And that’s how he gets around those pesky constitutional problems. He always has plausible deniability. ---
**Author:** ![Zyada](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zyada/32/3028_2.png) [@Zyada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyada)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/426 "2024-11-28T20:20:55Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > It is not necessary to impeach the president to stop them from violating the law. Every president in US history - INCLUDING Trump -has been shut down by the courts several times when they tried to do something unconstitutional. Give me one example ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/427 "2024-11-28T20:24:46Z")
> [@veryfrank](#): > > What I wouldn’t give for anyone within that administration to actually sit for an incisive interview with a non-pliant journalist and answer basic questions like “Explain for us how he thinks this works.” Agreed. There are surprisingly few examples of reporters (let alone Trump flunkies) being willing to go on the record about Trump’s misconceptions about tariffs. One of the few I’ve seen: > [@](#): > > However, that revenue would largely be paid by U.S. consumers and businesses, experts say. That’s because tariffs are not paid by the countries that export to the U.S., as Trump maintains, but rather by U.S. importers. … Few seem willing to be as direct as that writer was about the fact that Trump believes something that’s plainly not true. > [@Princhester](#): > > As I understand it, there are numerous former constitutional democracies around the world that have become actual or de facto dictatorships, and most of them had a constitution and systems of laws that said this was impossible on paper. So just saying that on paper Trump can’t do this or that is not enough. Yes. We’re seeing such assertions not because the claims are plausible, but out of (I believe) emotional need. > [@kenobi\_65](#): > > This is the Pit, so I suspect that the thread hijack isn’t meaningful, but y’know that this is yet another thread that’s devolved into a continuous circle of “Trump will be able to do whatever he wants!” “No, he won’t – there are laws and the Constitution which he won’t be able to avoid!” Well, it may not be a hijack if you look at it from the standpoint of ‘_here’s another person clinging to denial of what may result from their vote–and needing to convince others that their vote Really Wasn’t That Bad_.’ The particular surprise coming for such people is that others actually can see what they’re trying to do. If you look at people with a history of publicly arguing two things; - **Biden was fine, he just had one bad debate, he could have won! and** - **Trump can’t do much to harm Americans and America; he will be constrained by law, by business, and by other politicians—so people should just STOP talking about all the bad things they think he will do!** …it’s a fair bet that people arguing both these theories had a major problem with voting for a woman (or possibly just for a woman-of-color). And they couldn’t bring themselves to do it–_ **even though they genuinely and sincerely despise Donald Trump** _. And so they didn’t vote for Harris. And now, like every human being throughout history, they have to justify their choice–to themselves and to everyone else. Obviously we can’t know if this is what’s going on with some people. Only they can tell us (and it’s unlikely that they will). But I think the hypothesis that this is behind a certain pattern of posting, is a reasonable read on human nature. They failed to vote to stop Trump, and they hear the sound of the approaching leopards. And they have to deal with it somehow. The ‘what Trump believes about tariffs’ citation: > **[Here's why Trump thinks tariffs are good for the U.S. — and what the experts say](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-tariffs-mexico-canada-china-truth-social/)** > > President-elect Donald Trump is proposing sweeping new tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China as soon as he takes office. Here's why. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/428 "2024-11-28T20:30:31Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Yes. We’re seeing such assertions not because the claims are plausible, but out of (I believe) emotional need. “It can’t happen here.” ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/429 "2024-11-28T20:32:41Z")
Are these people also deeply disappointed with their “childhood” hero Hulk Hogan? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/430 "2024-11-28T20:38:56Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > “It can’t happen here.” Yeah. The tendency to believe that must be a human universal. (Benefiting hungry leopards through the millennia.) > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Are these people also deeply disappointed with their “childhood” hero Hulk Hogan? You open a perplexing new avenue of inquiry. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/431 "2024-11-28T20:46:20Z")
> [@Zyada](#): > > Give me one example > **[Supreme Court Rules For DREAMers, Against Trump](https://www.npr.org/2020/06/18/829858289/supreme-court-upholds-daca-in-blow-to-trump-administration)** > > The decision is a dramatic victory for immigration advocates and gives a new lease on life for the so-called DREAMers, immigrants who were brought to the U.S. illegally as children. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Duality](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.duality/32/4098_2.png) [@Mr.Duality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Duality)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/432 "2024-11-28T21:07:20Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > For employment purposes, a Social Security Card or a birth certificate issued by a state, county, or municipality proves you’re authorized to work in the United States Not quite true. A legal immigrant who is not yet a citizen must also have a Green Card. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/433 "2024-11-28T21:12:38Z")
To be more precise, one is supposed to provide “documentation to their employers to show their identity and authorization to work.” [This webpage](https://www.uscis.gov/i-9-central/form-i-9-acceptable-documents) lists which documents are acceptable for completing the I-9 Form. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/434 "2024-11-28T21:30:14Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Because Trump was never found guilty of the crime of insurrection. “Everybody knows he did it” does not exempt one from due process. When the 14th Amendment was new, there were several people who lost their elective position because they were found to have engaged in insurrection. There was no law required for this and most, if not all, of them were not found guilty of insurrection in a court of law. So requiring a guilty verdict or a law enforcing the 14th Amendment goes against established practice. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/435 "2024-11-28T21:39:51Z")
> [@Mr.Duality](#): > > Not quite true. A legal immigrant who is not yet a citizen must also have a Green Card. You are correct. Sometimes people even have Social Security Cards that are specifically marked as “Not Valid for Employment.” But since we weren’t talking about immigrants I didn’t feel the need to go out into the weeds here. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/436 "2024-11-28T22:01:57Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > When the 14th Amendment was new, there were several people who lost their elective position because they were found to have engaged in insurrection. There was no law required for this and most, if not all, of them were not found guilty of insurrection in a court of law. Which Congress had to pass a specific act in order to do. > **[Enforcement Act of 1870](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enforcement_Act_of_1870)** > > The Enforcement Act of 1870, also known as the Civil Rights Act of 1870 or First Ku Klux Klan Act, or Force Act (41st Congress, Sess. 2, ch. 114, 16 Stat. 140, enacted May 31, 1870, effective 1871), is a United States federal law that empowers the President to enforce the first section of the Fifteenth Amendment throughout the United States. The act was the first of three Enforcement Acts passed by the United States Congress in 1870 and 1871, during the Reconstruction Era, to combat attacks on th... And then Congress mass-forgave all of them anyway in an act which specifically called for an end to prosecuting them, so I’m not sure that’s the example you want to bring up. > **[Amnesty Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amnesty_Act)** > > The Amnesty Act of 1872 is a United States federal law passed on May 22, 1872, which removed most of the penalties imposed on former Confederates by the Fourteenth Amendment, adopted on July 9, 1868. Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment prohibits the election or appointment to any federal or state office of any person who had held any of certain offices and then engaged in insurrection, rebellion, or treason. However, the section provides that a two-thirds vote by each House of the Congress c... ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Duality](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.duality/32/4098_2.png) [@Mr.Duality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Duality)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/437 "2024-11-28T22:12:59Z")
A sizeable fraction of Republicans will not always roll over and take whatever MAGA wants to insert in their nether regions. Wyoming is the reddest of the States. Seventy-seven percent of voters are registered as Republican. Of the 23 counties, 21 are solidly Republican. The Freedom Caucus, which is all MAGA all the time, won control of the state legislature in the recent election. I believe it was early Fall when the Freedom Caucus tried to order the County Clerks to remove all the ballot drop boxes. Every one of the County Clerks flatly refused. So there is one good example. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/438 "2024-11-28T22:14:48Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Which Congress had to pass a specific act in order to do. That law enforces the 15th Amendment, not the 14th. > [@Smapti](#): > > And then Congress mass-forgave all of them anyway in an act which specifically called for an end to prosecuting them, so I’m not sure that’s the example you want to bring up. Read your own cite. That Amnesty Act has been ruled to not apply to future insurrections. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/439 "2024-11-28T22:47:53Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Seems to me they _appear_ every time he’s about to drive off the road! Which is why he is in prison even as we speak. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/440 "2024-11-28T23:33:33Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > You’re right, just because they couldn’t wiggle around it in a sane world doesn’t mean they can’t now. There are people who have spent the last four years combing through the Constitution and “settled law” for any loophole they can find. And it turns out there are lots of them. The Constitution is big on laws, not so much on how to enforce them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=23)