# Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Tags:** trump
**Created:** [November 12, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166 "2024-11-12T19:54:17Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2025, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4415 "2025-08-27T15:06:35Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#):
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> it was my understanding grapes needed a certain climate to grown to make acceptable wine, and Canadian winters weren’t it.
Sorry for continuing the wine hijack, but just so you know, all of Canada is not a bitter winter hellscape. The climate of the Okanagan region and southern Vancouver Island is actually quite mild, and an excellent place for wine grapes. Average LOW temperatures in Victoria BC in January - February is 3 C (37.5F). Snow is rare and does not stay long. Not exactly tropical, but not bad.
Compare with eg. Nebraska with average winter 10F with 20+ inches of snow.
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### Author:  [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2025, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4416 "2025-08-27T15:08:53Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#):
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> The wines made by the Cribari family of Barry wines for Catholic mass are pretty awful, too.
I’d never expect much from the wine but can I at least order my Jesus any way other than _well done_ or _raw_?
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### Author:  [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2025, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4417 "2025-08-27T15:52:35Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#):
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> Sorry for continuing the wine hijack, but just so you know, all of Canada is not a bitter winter hellscape.
I’m not arguing grapes cannot be grown in Canada. I was addressing the point that Spoons was shocked that anyone would be _surprised_ that fine wines could be made in Canada. And I was. As much as I’d be surprised to find tobacco was grown in Wisconsin, when it is known that it likes the southern climate. But it is (or was at least, in my lifetime).
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### Author:  [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2025, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4418 "2025-08-27T15:55:38Z")
I’ll just drop this into the wine-jack.
“German wine”.
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### Author:  [@icon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/icon)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2025, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4419 "2025-08-27T16:04:55Z")
Isn’t that like just beer? 😜
`//i\\`
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### Author:  [@ricepad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ricepad)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2025, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4420 "2025-08-27T16:05:38Z")
> [@iamatractorboy](#):
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> As long as someone they hate is getting shot in the chest/face, no, they won’t.
If that person is brown, they’ll gladly suffer TWO shots to the foot.
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### Author:  [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2025, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4421 "2025-08-27T16:16:00Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#):
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> Obviously, when God selects someone to be in the ministerial service, He/She takes away their wine discrimination ability.
I suspect other factors like cost, need for quantity, adherence to religious rules regarding production, and that the congregation is only consuming a small amount per person who don’t have alternatives\* during the ritual work into decision making
\* I’ve noted that in recent years our community Seders in fact do offer a selection of kosher wines suitable to the occasion along with an array of non-alcoholic choices that are ritually satisfactory for the meal. Choices are increasing for even small Jewish communities in the US. Some still want the old Manischewitz, Kedem, and Mogen David for the nostalgia factor (and some people do, in fact, like them). Other folks have differing tastes. But I think there’s already a tradition in place for wine made from Concord grapes in North American Jewish communities such that some people will continue to opt for them even if outside of holidays and weekly services they choose other varieties.
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### Author:  [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2025, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4422 "2025-08-27T17:02:44Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#):
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> As much as I’d be surprised to find tobacco was grown in Wisconsin, when it is known that it likes the southern climate. But it is (or was at least, in my lifetime).
Or that tobacco can be grown in Canada, too. One of my Canadian relatives had a tobacco farm in Ontario that i visited when little. Years later, recalling this, it sort of amazed me that they were growing tobacco in Canada. “But it’s too far north,” I told myself. “But it’s southern Canada.” “Yeah, but it’s still farther north than, say, New York.” I didn’t know about Wisconsin.
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### Author:  [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2025, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4423 "2025-08-27T17:59:06Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#):
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> One of my Canadian relatives had a tobacco farm in Ontario
One of my university friends lived in tobacco country in southern Ontario. He often worked picking tobacco, and told stories about the farmer’s kids, who had enough money that they’d roll their pickup trucks in a ditch every year, and Dad would just buy them a new one.
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### Author:  [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2025, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4424 "2025-08-27T19:24:48Z")
I don’t know if it’s still true, with the decline of tobacco generally, but New England used to be known for its prized shade tobacco used as cigar wrappers. This surprises a lot of lifelong New Englanders
> **[Connecticut shade tobacco](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut_shade_tobacco)**
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> Connecticut shade tobacco is a tobacco grown under shade in the Connecticut River valley of Connecticut, Massachusetts, and southern Vermont. It is used primarily for binder and wrapper for premium cigars, and is prized for its color and quality, its subtle sweetness and refined flavor.
> Tobacco farming in the Connecticut River valley has a long history. When the first settlers came to the valley in the 1630s, tobacco was already being grown by the native population. The town of Windsor is the ep...
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### Author:  [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2025, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4425 "2025-08-27T19:47:56Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#):
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> But it’s not just Jewish wines. The wines made by the Cribari family of Barry wines for Catholic mass are pretty awful, too.
My altar boy days are about 55 years in the rear view mirror, but I kinda recall communion wine tasting more like Muscatel than Manischevitz.
> [@icon](#):
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> Isn’t that like just beer? 😜
_If I were a merry brewer
That would be a grand career!
I would pick the grapes
And peel the grapes
And stomp them into beer—DAMMIT!_
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### Author:  [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2025, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4426 "2025-08-28T01:33:24Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#):
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> I’d be surprised to find tobacco was grown in Wisconsin, when it is known that it likes the southern climate. But it is (or was at least, in my lifetime).
Western Massachusetts has farms growing broadleaf tobacco for cigar wrappers in the Connecticut River Valley. It was once a much larger crop, has decreased over time, but is still grown.
> **[Tobacco grows in an unlikely place: Massachusetts](https://www.wcvb.com/article/tobacco-grows-in-an-unlikely-place-massachusetts/62777543)**
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> A farm in Hadley produces premium wrapping tobacco for cigars
ETA: Ninja’d by **OldOlds**.
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### Author:  [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2025, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4427 "2025-08-28T01:46:20Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#):
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> “German wine”.
You’re a bit late for that:
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#):
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> You can get some very nice rieslings from the Niagara region
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### Author:  [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2025, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4428 "2025-08-28T04:19:36Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#):
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> Or that tobacco can be grown in Canada, too. One of my Canadian relatives had a tobacco farm in Ontario that i visited when little. Years later, recalling this, it sort of amazed me that they were growing tobacco in Canada. “But it’s too far north,” I told myself. “But it’s southern Canada.” “Yeah, but it’s still farther north than, say, New York.” I didn’t know about Wisconsin.
Southwestern Ontario was known for its Virginia tobacco. For many years, they supplied the Canadian cigarette industry with tobacco. That’s why Canadian cigarettes tended to be straight Virginias, instead of blends, like in the US and elsewhere. Other tobaccos were grown too, for cigar and pipe tobaccos, but Virginia ruled in southwestern Ontario.
Connecticut Shade and Connecticut Broafleaf are great tobaccos. Shade is light-coloured, delicate, and sweet, and used as a wrapper for cigars. Broafleaf is tougher, thicker, much darker, and slightly more bitter, and also used as a cigar wrapper and binder. As noted above, both come from the Connecticut River Valley.
I used to review cigars and pipe tobacco. I know a lot about many tobaccos, where they grow, their characteristics, and so on. These days, I don’t get to show off my knowledge much. Thanks for indulging me, folks!
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### Author:  [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2025, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4429 "2025-08-28T11:29:42Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#):
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> My altar boy days are about 55 years in the rear view mirror, but I kinda recall communion wine tasting more like Muscatel than Manischevitz.
Aha! You were one of the altar boys who snarfed the communion wine when the priest wasn’t looking!
I was too disgustingly honest.
I liked when I went to the Newman Center services in grad school. The services were filled with twenty somethings and had hip priests who let the communicants bring in home-made communion bread\* and whatever wine they chose. It was the only time I ever drank decent communion wine.
- it was approved, unleavened bread made from a recipe they handed out. But it was a good, thick, chewy unleavened bread made with whole wheat and honey, and scored for easy breaking into cubes. Almost worth eating without the ceremony.
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### Author:  [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2025, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4430 "2025-08-28T12:06:56Z")
Darn few people from outside NY state & immediate neighboring states are aware of NY’s darn good wines.
My point was that nearly anyone who drinks wine has heard of German wine from Germany. And darn near anyone who’s heard of Germany knows it’s got cold snowy miserable winters & pleasant warm not hot summers. Just like southern Canada.
So someone aware of good German wine ought not find good Canadian wine all that surprising once they think a minute.
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### Author:  [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2025, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4431 "2025-08-28T15:19:14Z")
I’ve had perfectly drinkable wines from Germany, new York, Wisconsin, Massachusetts, and other cool places. But i really prefer wine from California, Australia, and other sunny dry places
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### Author:  [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2025, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4432 "2025-08-28T16:04:36Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#):
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> My point was that nearly anyone who drinks wine has heard of German wine from Germany. And darn near anyone who’s heard of Germany knows it’s got cold snowy miserable winters & pleasant warm not hot summers. Just like southern Canada.
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> So someone aware of good German wine ought not find good Canadian wine all that surprising once they think a minute.
I totally missed your point. I thought you had meant the opposite really.
_scraps lengthy post extolling the virtues of German wine_
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### Author:  [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2025, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4433 "2025-08-28T23:10:39Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#):
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> But i really prefer wine from California, Australia, and other sunny dry places
… which are now getting TOO sunny - wine is essentially a cool climate crop and wineries are being moved to higher elevations and further from the equator accordingly.
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### Author:  [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2025, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/4434 "2025-08-29T00:54:08Z")
The 2045 northern slope Alaskan Cabernet Sauvignon was an awesome vintage!!
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