# Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 12, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166 "2024-11-12T19:54:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/441 "2024-11-28T23:39:33Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > There are people who have spent the last four years combing through the Constitution and “settled law” for any loophole they can find. And it turns out there are lots of them. The Constitution is big on laws, not so much on how to enforce them. The Soviet Union had their own constitution which offered citizens great protections like due process and individual rights. Of course in practice the Soviet government wasn’t worried about little things like due process or freedom of speech. The MAGA side doesn’t really care about what the Constitution says even if they pay lip service to it. They’re not even looking for loopholes really, they’re just interpreting it the way they want no matter precedence or common sense. A lot of people find it odd we care so much about the US Constitution, but I think we’re approaching an era where that veneration will come to an end. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/442 "2024-11-28T23:42:59Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > > [@Zyada](#): > > > > Give me one example > > [Supreme Court Upholds DACA, Ruling Against Trump Administration : NPR](https://www.npr.org/2020/06/18/829858289/supreme-court-upholds-daca-in-blow-to-trump-administration) That case was decided 5-4 in 2020 when RGB was still in the bench, and if it came up before the court today there’s a good chance it would’ve flipped the other way. ---
**Author:** ![bobsmom101](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobsmom101/32/2867_2.png) [@bobsmom101](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobsmom101)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/443 "2024-11-28T23:52:41Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > The ‘what Trump believes about tariffs’ citation: I used to agree with all those arguing that T\*\*\*\* is too dumb to understand how tariffs work but then I realized that I was being too naive about how T\*\*\*\* works. When T\*\*\*\* slaps a blanket tariff on, say, Canada, the adversely affected powerful Canadian and US corporations will immediately start lobbying His Griftiness with reasons why he should grant them dispensations from said tariff. And of course T\*\*\*\* will be happy to do so, for a _quid pro quo_. It’s “The Art of the Deal,” right? The result will be the double orgasm of having powerful companies reduced to begging him for favors, plus he will certainly find a way to gain financially from the deals. The result is a wealthier and more powerful POTUS and bigger monopolies for everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/444 "2024-11-29T00:36:27Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > That law enforces the 15th Amendment, not the 14th. > [@dtilque](#): > > Read your own cite. You clearly didn’t read my own cite. > [@](#): > > Sections 14 and 15 enforce section three of the [Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution), by instructing federal prosecutors to use a writ of [quo warranto](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quo_warranto) to remove people from government offices who were disqualified by that amendment. > [@dtilque](#): > > That Amnesty Act has been ruled to not apply to future insurrections. I never said it did. Not only did you not read my cite, you apparently didn’t even read my post. > [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > That case was decided 5-4 in 2020 when RGB was still in the bench, and if it came up before the court today there’s a good chance it would’ve flipped the other way. I was asked for JUST ONE EXAMPLE and I provided it. It’s too late to move the goalposts. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/445 "2024-11-29T01:37:52Z")
> [@veryfrank](#): > > What I wouldn’t give for anyone within that administration to actually sit for an incisive interview with a non-pliant journalist and answer basic questions like “Explain for us how he thinks this works.” You are way overthinking it. Development of Trump policy goes like this – someone mentions an idea. Trump throws it into one of his rambling rally speeches. The crowd cheers. It becomes policy. There is no more thinking involved, whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/446 "2024-11-29T03:26:01Z")
True. But that was the case for T1.0. T2.0 is now P2025 for all intents and purposes. Actually, it will likely be a combination of T1 and P2025. Way back in his first administration or during his campaign, Trump stated he had the authority to ban birthright citizenship via executive order. IIRC, there was at least one poster on this site who held to that idea basing it on the assertion that undocumented aliens are not subject to the jursidiction of the US. Yes, I know; but that’s the assertion, and it’s been made seriously by those who soon will have a chance to test it out (or it’s been listened to by those people). If you look in my thread about the clusterfuck continuing, you’ll see a veritable line-up of face-eating leopards. And not a one of them, least of all Trump, gives any allegiance to the constitution. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/447 "2024-11-29T04:31:15Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > If you look in my thread about the clusterfuck continuing, you’ll see a veritable line-up of face-eating leopards. And not a one of them, least of all Trump, gives any allegiance to the constitution. Yeah, Trump and company have a consistent pattern of simply ignoring the law unless and until somebody outright _stops_ them. And there’s fewer people willing and able to do so this time around. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/448 "2024-11-29T04:48:25Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > :SNIP: > > > [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > > > That case was decided 5-4 in 2020 when RGB was still in the bench, and if it came up before the court today there’s a good chance it would’ve flipped the other way. > > I was asked for JUST ONE EXAMPLE and I provided it. It’s too late to move the goalposts. I find this post very amusing. I’m pretty sure if we dusted the goalposts for fingerprints, it wouldn’t be those of @Ann_Hedonia we would find on them. ---
**Author:** ![FluffyBob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecb155/32.png) [@FluffyBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FluffyBob)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/449 "2024-11-29T05:51:56Z")
Nailed it. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/450 "2024-11-29T05:58:08Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > You clearly didn’t read my own cite. > > > [@](#): > > > > Sections 14 and 15 enforce section three of the [Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution), by instructing federal prosecutors to use a writ of [quo warranto](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quo_warranto) to remove people from government offices who were disqualified by that amendment. You could have quoted that the first time, since the vast majority of the article is talking about the 15th. > [@Smapti](#): > > > [@dtilque](#): > > > > That Amnesty Act has been ruled to not apply to future insurrections. > > I never said it did. You implied it by including it in that response. At any rate, it’s highly unlikely the current Congress will pass another Amnesty Act for the 1/6 insurrectionists. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/451 "2024-11-29T07:04:34Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Which is why he is in prison even as we speak. No, I meant, someone puts up a guardrail to save him from crashing and burning…Sometimes I’m too clever to be understood… ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/452 "2024-11-29T07:11:27Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > The Soviet Union had their own constitution which offered citizens great protections like due process and individual rights. Of course in practice the Soviet government wasn’t worried about little things like due process or freedom of speech. A lot of people can’t imagine an America in which, after you’re arrested, and while you’re being processed, while you’re distracted, someone steps up behind you and puts a bullet in your head. I don’t think the US will get to that point, not really, maybe, but I can’t see what would stop it, either, if the people in charge decide to go that way. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/453 "2024-11-29T07:21:24Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Of course not, he’s immune to the law. Maybe, but the reality is the DOJ did not indict him on the federal charge which SCOTUS specifically pointed out. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/454 "2024-11-29T07:29:15Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > There was no law required for this and most, if not all, of them were not found guilty of insurrection in a court of law. So requiring a guilty verdict or a law enforcing the 14th Amendment goes against established practice. Banning someone from office without a guilty verdict is a due process violation, not that many people cared about former Confederates’ rights just after the war. But today there is a law that applies 18 USC 2383 > Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States. SCOTUS said that to enforce Amendment 14 Section 3, Trump needed to be convicted of this law. Blame Garland for not attempting to indict Trump on this law. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/455 "2024-11-29T09:00:35Z")
Sorry to interrupt the constitutional law discussion, but I’ve been noticing a certain pattern with certain supporters fo the LEFP voters at my place of work. It goes like this: 1. Exclaim/curse/sigh over price of purchase total 2. Say something like “oh, boy, just your wait until Trump gets into office - he’ll fix these right away!” 3. I say “you mean, if he puts all those tariffs in place?” 4. They say something like “Yep. That’ll bring all these crazy prices right down!” Boy, are they going to be surprised. Unfortunately, it won’t be just them paying more. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/456 "2024-11-29T09:40:05Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > A lot of people can’t imagine an America in which, after you’re arrested, and while you’re being processed, while you’re distracted, someone steps up behind you and puts a bullet in your head. > > I don’t think the US will get to that point, not really, maybe, but I can’t see what would stop it, either, if the people in charge decide to go that way. A lot of African-Americans can imagine that quite easily, except that it would happen **instead of** being arrested and processed. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/457 "2024-11-29T09:56:41Z")
In a discussion upthread, @Smapti quoted a Wiki-article about a law requiring prosecutors to get a writ of quo warranto to remove insurrectionists from government offices. Once Trump takes office, who’s going to be the first to try this out for him? Someone in Colorado? Or perhaps Washington state? ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/458 "2024-11-29T15:32:39Z")
On the checks and balances thing, maybe we can find a middle ground? Let’s say Trump tries to do 10 things that are not constitutional. A not unreasonable number given the number of things he’s promised to do that are not within the president’s executive powers, let alone the desire to terminate, well, the constitution. Of course he will not get 10/10 of those through…I’m not sure anyone would argue that he could. (Although ask me again in a few years if more checks on power have been eroded) But I also think it is highly unlikely that the answer will be 0/10, given that Republicans have the House, Senate, White House and Supreme Court, and they have spent the last few years helping Trump evade justice and using the powers of the House to attack Trump’s enemies _while he wasn’t even in power_. So of course now with Trump in power many levers of government and the courts will be helping Trump pass whatever he wants. I doubt very much that “But the Constitution” is going to be sufficient in many cases (or even _most_ cases IMO, but let’s agree that the answer is not likely to be _zero_ cases). ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/459 "2024-11-29T15:58:22Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > No, I meant, someone puts up a guardrail to save him from crashing and burning…Sometimes I’m too clever to be understood… Oh, sorry. As you figured, I was talking about guardrails for the country. I could give a flying fuck about what happens to Trump and, in fact, would derive a certain amount of schadenfreude if it happened without the rest of the country – or world – being dragged down with him. His proposed tariffs scare the hell out of me. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/460 "2024-11-29T16:39:41Z")
> [@Mr.Duality](#): > > > [@Odesio](#): > > > > For employment purposes, a Social Security Card or a birth certificate issued by a state, county, or municipality proves you’re authorized to work in the United States > > Not quite true. A legal immigrant who is not yet a citizen must also have a Green Card. In _addition_ to a Social Security card or a birth certificate issued by a state, county, or municipality? I’m…confused by that _also_. > [@Odesio](#): > > Sometimes people even have Social Security Cards that are specifically marked as “Not Valid for Employment.” I did not know that those were a thing. Thank you for educating me. > [@Monty](#): > > Way back in his first administration or during his campaign, Trump stated he had the authority to ban birthright citizenship via executive order. IIRC, there was at least one poster on this site who held to that idea basing it on the assertion that **undocumented aliens are not subject to the jursidiction of the US.** Huh? If they’re not subject to the jurisdiction of the US, how can the US justify detaining them? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=24)