# Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 12, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166 "2024-11-12T19:54:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/501 "2024-11-30T05:04:54Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > You constantly talk about the Constitution as if it was incapable of being violated by Trump and his flunkies, but now you are admitting that his Court could just make any decision they please and the Constitution wouldn’t matter. If the Supreme Court rules that whatever Trump says or does is legal, then clearly we have been wrong about what the Constitution means. In such a circumstance, I would recommend secession and/or violent revolution. I do not expect that scenario to happen, because precedent would strongly indicate against such, and because history suggests that Congress and the Supreme Court will not willingly give up their power to a man who wants to render them irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/502 "2024-11-30T05:05:11Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > And that’s pretty much my point in this thread about the current Supremes turning the constitution into an irrelevant rag. Yeah. The Constitution by itself is just words on a page without the will to enforce it, and this court is full of partisans who will happily ignore it in the name of politics and hate. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/503 "2024-11-30T05:28:15Z")
At what point, _if any_, do you question the decisions of the Supreme Court? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/504 "2024-11-30T05:38:01Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > At what point, _if any_, do you question the decisions of the Supreme Court All the time. Dobbs was a bad decision. Citizens United was a terrible decision that has poisoned our entire political system and made Trump possible. I understand the logic of Bush v. Gore but wish it had gone differently. Plessy and Dred Scott were horrendous. Bowers was also a bad call. I could go on. That doesn’t mean I get to pretend that those rulings don’t exist, or that my disapproval of them makes them illegitimate, or that the principle of judicial review only applies when they make decisions I like. Acknowledging that those decisions are what they are is being a realist, not granting them moral approval, and the way to do something about it is to start winning elections so we can do something about the makeup of the Court or change the Constitution to nullify bad rulings. You seem to think my reaction to a bad ruling is “Well, that’s the law forever now”, when in fact it’s “Well, that’s the law now, so let’s figure out what we can do about it”. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/505 "2024-11-30T05:40:39Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > At what point, _if any_, do you question the decisions of the Supreme Court? Besides ranting on a message board, what good is questioning a SCOTUS ruling? What are you going to do to change it? Create your own lawsuit to get it appealed to them? Did anyone even read the Justice Jackson quote? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/506 "2024-11-30T05:59:42Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > If the Supreme Court rules that whatever Trump says or does is legal, then clearly we have been wrong about what the Constitution means. No, it means that the Supreme Court has ruled contrary to the Constitution. The Constitution is right. The Supreme Court has been shown to be wrong on many occasions. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/507 "2024-11-30T06:01:54Z")
No, they were right, until they became even more right. Because some people have some kind of mystical reverence for the American system of “checks and balances”. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/508 "2024-11-30T06:02:40Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > No, it means that the Supreme Court has ruled contrary to the Constitution. That statement is inherently self-contradictory. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/509 "2024-11-30T06:04:24Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > No, they were right, until they became even more right. That’s the problem. They keep moving right. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/510 "2024-11-30T06:08:50Z")
No. That statement merely shows that the Constitution, and its enforcement, is not built upon unerring magic. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/511 "2024-11-30T06:08:59Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > The Constitution is right. Was the Constitution right when it said only men could vote or that states could decide whether to permit slavery and that said slaves counted as 3/5ths of a person? > [@](#): > > The Supreme Court has been shown to be wrong on many occasions. Shown by who? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/512 "2024-11-30T06:10:11Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > That statement merely shows that the Constitution, and its enforcement, is not built upon unerring magic. What is law, then, if not a form of “magic”? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/513 "2024-11-30T06:10:23Z")
Absolutely nobody…if you believe that the Supreme Court is the be all and end all when it comes to final moral and legal argument. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/514 "2024-11-30T06:11:24Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > if you believe that the Supreme Court is the be all and end all when it comes to final moral and legal argument. The Supreme Court is the be all and end all when it comes to what the Constitution means. You’re the one ascribing moral authority to them, not me. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/515 "2024-11-30T06:12:00Z")
It is an attempt, at best, to do what is right. Sometimes human beings fuck up. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/516 "2024-11-30T06:13:16Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Was the Constitution right when it said … that said slaves counted as 3/5ths of a person? No, slaves should not have counted as persons at all. 'Course, you have to understand the _Three Fifths Compromise_ to get how wrong it was. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/517 "2024-11-30T06:13:49Z")
I am not the one ascribing absolute authority to that political body. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/518 "2024-11-30T06:14:10Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I am not the one ascribing absolute authority to that political body Me neither. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/519 "2024-11-30T06:17:01Z")
At what point do you actively fight against their ruling? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/520 "2024-11-30T06:19:02Z")
What does “actively fight against their ruling” mean? I vote for Democrats who I hope will appoint people to the Supreme Court who will rule in a way that I think would be best. Is that not enough? Do I need to hoist the black flag and start slitting throats? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=27)