# Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 12, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166 "2024-11-12T19:54:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/41 "2024-11-13T11:41:37Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > They will grab anyone they can get their hands on to deport, and **it’s easiest to get their hands on the law-abiding who have fixed addresses** (available from employers who don’t want to get crosswise with the new regime). The very people interviewed on CNN and other outlets saying ‘he won’t come for us’ are likely the ones who will be grabbed first—it will make such MAGA-pleasing television. I think this is very much an under-recognized outcome. Not least because this is what MAGA wants to see. Oh sure, they’d love to see truckloads of dirty brown people carted away in trucks. But the real prize is seeing the humbling of undocumented people like you and me, college-educated English-fluent less-brown people who don’t have documents. MAGA doesn’t really mind migrants who stay really quiet and obedient slaves because their immigration status isn’t clean. The ones they really hate are undocumented people who achieved more and have higher status than many non-college whites. The “uppity” ones. That’s who MAGA most wants to see abused. If they don’t speak Spanish and have no ties to their home country, then even better. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/42 "2024-11-13T11:45:44Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > Let’s face it: Trump’s tariffs will cause prices to rise for all Americans. His supporters will say, “What the hell?”, and his detractors will say, “We told you so.” Trump still does not understand how tariffs work. If you really think this is going to happen, you don’t understand how politics work. Trump is going to make one really big noisy tariff against China, big enough to notice, but not big enough to tank the economy. He will beat the drum about how he totally owned China. He’ll collect the political benefit, and then he’ll move on. I honestly don’t know what to say to people who think that Republicans have finally, fatally painted themselves into an inescapable corner with rhetoric that they can’t possibly follow through on. You’ve seen how this works. You know they’re not required follow through on political-suicide campaign promises, you know the base will figure out a way to rationalize the non-delivery of such promises. Is there any person alive who doesn’t know this now? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/43 "2024-11-13T11:49:07Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > Trump is going to make one really big noisy tariff against China, big enough to notice, but not big enough to tank the economy. He will beat the drum about how he totally owned China. He’ll collect the political benefit, and then he’ll move on. Last time he did this, China stopped buying US farm products. Farmers lost $30 billion and required a government bailout. ---
**Author:** ![Ellecram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellecram/32/18948_2.png) [@Ellecram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellecram)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/44 "2024-11-13T11:53:49Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > > [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > > > Trump is going to make one really big noisy tariff against China, big enough to notice, but not big enough to tank the economy. He will beat the drum about how he totally owned China. He’ll collect the political benefit, and then he’ll move on. > > Last time he did this, China stopped buying US farm products. Farmers lost $30 billion and required a government bailout That’s the problem. No one can accurately predict how the countries impacted by tariffs will respond. It can evolve into a difficult, expensive problem with far reaching symptoms that last for a long time. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/45 "2024-11-13T11:55:37Z")
No one can predict that tariffs lead to trade wars? American education really has gone to shit. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/46 "2024-11-13T12:16:32Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > If you really think this is going to happen, you don’t understand how politics work. So far, “the Republicans would never be crazy enough to do that” has a very poor record of accuracy. We were told they wouldn’t get rid of Roe vrs Wade because it would be a political disaster; they did it anyway. These are true believers and lunatics; they don’t _care_ if it’s a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/47 "2024-11-13T12:22:33Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > No one can predict that tariffs lead to trade wars? American education really has gone to shit. It has. All Trump has to say is, “China is cutting us a check for $3Bn (or whatever) for tariffs,” and his stupid, uninformed, and uneducated fans will cheer. Until they find out that they’re paying that tariff. And even then, many of them won’t believe it. “China pulled a fast one,” or some such crapola. ---
**Author:** ![Ellecram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellecram/32/18948_2.png) [@Ellecram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellecram)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/48 "2024-11-13T12:23:03Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > No one can predict that tariffs lead to trade wars? American education really has gone to shit. I was responding to the comment about the possibility of the man who will be president imposing a faux tariff on China as a show of strength and then moving on. No one can predict exactly how benign or intensely serious that situation can become. Or how long it will last. I totally understand tariffs. I also understand the unpredictability of complex societal systems. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/49 "2024-11-13T14:27:47Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Last time he did this, China stopped buying US farm products. Farmers lost $30 billion and required a government bailout. And yet the Media thought the bigger story was that he once said “Hamberders.” 🤦‍♀️ ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/50 "2024-11-13T14:37:33Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > There is no next guy; they’re the final stop in the line. Regardless of whatever point in the process prices went up, they’re the ones who end up paying it. “The Buck Starts Here” Maybe we need an ad campaign using that line. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/51 "2024-11-13T14:51:12Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Last time he did this, China stopped buying US farm products. Farmers lost $30 billion and required a government bailout. Okay, but did the economy collapse, and did Biden then rescind the tariffs to fix it? No, and no. It didn’t cost him anything politically. If you agree that tariffs contributed to inflation, then it was actually Biden and Harris who ate that political cost. Trump will do a token tariff on China. It won’t harm the economy and he’ll pay no political price for it. I think we’re all experienced enough to understand that no “adults in the room” will restrain Trumpian policy, however “major donor money in the room” will prevent him from making any disastrous economic choices. These people installed him in office to make them richer, not to watch him kill the golden goose, and they aren’t career bureaucrats with pensions on the line. It’s true that Trump can’t run for President again, but he very much wants a Republican elected after him, because he’ll once again have criminal exposure for one damn thing or another. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/52 "2024-11-13T15:37:40Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > So the farmers have to hire other people to do the job. But who wants to do that sort of back-breaking work for minimum wage? After Alabama enacted HB 56, farmers couldn’t find workers. > **[Few Americans take immigrants' jobs in Alabama](https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna44981872)** > > Potato farmer Keith Smith saw most of his Hispanic workers leave after Alabama's tough immigration law took effect, so he hired Americans. It hasn't worked out, some quit after a single day. > “I’ve had people calling me wanting to work,” Smith said. “I haven’t turned any of them down, but they’re not any good. It’s hard work, they just don’t work like the Hispanics with experience.” … > > In south Georgia, Connie Horner has heard just about every reason unemployed Americans don’t want to work on her blueberry farm. It’s hot, the hours are long, the pay isn’t enough and it’s just plain hard. > > “You can’t find legal workers,” Horner said. “Basically they last a day or two, literally.” ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/53 "2024-11-13T15:52:44Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > It’s true that Trump can’t run for President again Who says he can’t? 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Zoobi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/13edae/32.png) [@Zoobi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoobi)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/54 "2024-11-13T15:58:11Z")
I doubt straight white guys will face much, if any, hardships. The next decade or so will be amazing for them. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/55 "2024-11-13T15:58:21Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > I really, really REALLY hope we don’t have another pandemic while the anti-science loons are in office, especially if it is as serious (and it could be MORE serious) than Covid. [There’s a teen in B.C. who is currently in critical care due to Avian Influenza.](https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/teen-bird-flu-canada-hospitalized-critical-condition-rcna179942) Last I heard, they still don’t know how the kid was exposed. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/56 "2024-11-13T16:04:14Z")
Lovely. We’re four miles from BC. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/57 "2024-11-13T16:17:09Z")
> [@Zoobi](#): > > I doubt straight white guys will face much, if any, hardships. The next decade or so will be amazing for them. There’s a lot of straight white guys with daughters that might unexpectedly end up pregnant. There’s a lot of straight white guys with LGBTQ kids. There’s a lot of straight white guys that maybe aren’t as straight as they let on. There’s a lot of straight white guys that are married to non-white people. There’s a lot of white guys that don’t have “their papers”. There’s a lot of straight white guys that are un/under employed and need government assistance. There’s a lot of straight white guys in poorly run VA hospitals. There’s a lot of straight white guys who are at risk of losing their jobs and insurance if their employer fires them to cover the cost of tariffs. The list goes on and on. Sure straight white guys might not have as many hardships as a gay black woman, but they’re not immune just based on being a straight white male. How well many people do over the next 4+ years is going to depend a lot on how much money you have. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/58 "2024-11-13T16:19:56Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > I really, really REALLY hope we don’t have another pandemic while the anti-science loons are in office, especially if it is as serious (and it could be MORE serious) than Covid. The leopards may feast upon us all if that happens. Yes, there will be some crises that the trump admin will be completely unprepared to handle, both because of incompetent leadership at all levels of the admin, and because government institutions have been gutted. Could be a pandemic, could be a Katrina-level disaster that hits a red state. And if America or its interests are threatened militarily, what then? trump likes to style himself as the ‘anti-war’ President, which sounds all well and good on the surface; he made a big point of describing Harris as alternately ‘too weak’ to deal with hostile foreign leaders and also the candidate most likely to start WWIII. But who really fits that description? trump famously lets himself be flattered and manipulated by dictators. Also his colossal laziness and tendency toward isolationism will cause him to ignore most world conflicts that don’t directly affect America. But what if America is directly threatened? I’m sure the trump admin response will be either ineffective, an over-reaction, or both. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/59 "2024-11-13T16:49:08Z")
> [@solost](#): > > And if America or its interests are threatened militarily, what then? [Trump Draft Executive Order Would Create Board to Purge Generals](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-draft-executive-order-would-create-board-to-purge-generals/ar-AA1tXPCJ) > “This looks like an administration getting ready to purge anyone who will not be a yes man,” said Carpenter, a former Army lawyer. “If you are looking to fire officers who might say no because of the law or their ethics, you set up a system with completely arbitrary standards, so you can fire anyone you want.” ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/60 "2024-11-13T16:50:29Z")
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