# Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 12, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166 "2024-11-12T19:54:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2024, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/581 "2024-12-02T20:16:43Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Remember - if there is no birth certificate then there is no proof of parentage, which makes the child a foundling and therefore a US citizen by default. This is not a course of action Trump or Republicans would pursue. _“No, Mr Rodriguez, your birth certificate still exists so you are not entitled to foundling status. However your birth certificate has been suspended so you are not entitled to any of the civil rights which would be due to you as an American citizen while it is suspended. These civil rights will return to you when the review process is completed at some unspecified point of time of our choosing.”_ ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2024, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/582 "2024-12-02T20:17:37Z")
Can California do that? I know people like to say this, but does the State sit astride the money flow between individual taxpayers and the federal government? And even if this is possible, Trump will just tell the IRS to target every individual taxpayer in California for unpaid income taxes, since they clearly were not properly paid. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2024, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/583 "2024-12-02T20:23:23Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > However your birth certificate has been suspended so you are not entitled to any of the civil rights which would be due to you as an American citizen while it is suspended. How can a birth certificate be suspended? It is simple documentation of a birth. It’s not a license. I think any court, even SCOTUS, would have a major problem with depriving an American of basic rights due to the demand of a dictator. [Nevermind](https://www.uscourts.gov/educational-resources/educational-activities/facts-and-case-summary-korematsu-v-us). ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2024, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/584 "2024-12-02T20:29:18Z")
What does “your birth certificate is suspended” even mean? It’s a medical document, not a driver’s license. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2024, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/585 "2024-12-02T20:32:22Z")
Yep-convicted for purely racist reasons, and upheld 40 years later by the Supreme Court. His birth certificate didn’t mean jack shit to the court system, and was thus totally disregarded. No revocation is needed when it can just be disregarded. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2024, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/586 "2024-12-02T20:33:03Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > How can a birth certificate be suspended? It is simple documentation of a birth. It’s not a license. I think any court, even SCOTUS, would have a major problem with depriving an American of basic rights due to the demand of a dictator. Can a birth certificate be a forgery? The answer to Republicans is obviously yes. They had an entire movement based around the claim that one particular birth certificate was a forgery. So this is not new ground for them. The only difference is that now they have the power to act upon their claims. This would just be an expansion on that. They would be reviewing birth certificates as possible forgeries. And set up the process so that your rights are suspended while the review is under way. And then drag out the review for as long as they wish. > [@Smapti](#): > > What does “your birth certificate is suspended” even mean? It’s a medical document, not a driver’s license. Whatever the Republicans want it to mean. Yes, it’s a medical document. But it’s also an official document from which legal rights are derived. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2024, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/587 "2024-12-02T20:35:10Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Yes, it’s a medical document. But it’s also an official document from which legal rights are derived. I think your idea is completely ridiculous. But I remembered that link I gave. But worse I remembered these are the people that gave us, “He’s not a natural-born citizen unless he shows us the long form.” ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2024, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/588 "2024-12-02T20:43:12Z")
Just to be clear - this is an entirely hypothetical scenario and not something that Trump or Republicans have stated an intent of doing. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2024, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/589 "2024-12-02T20:54:33Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > > > Much as it rankles to be perceived as conceding that Mike Pence may NOT have been the worst possible choice for “person-one-heartbeat-away-from-the-Presidency,” Vance _is_ scarier. > > I agree. While I didn’t agree with Pence’s principles, I at least felt like he had principles that he was living by. With Vance, I don’t see any principles guiding him. He just does whatever benefits him without questioning whether it’s right or wrong. > > The only thing I see which distinguishes Vance from Trump is Vance appears to be a little smarter. I think Vance is aware that in order to hold the power which benefits him personally, he needs the country to continue to exist. So Vance would put some effort into keeping the United States functioning (even though he’d be willing to throw out things like democracy and rights). > > **I don’t see that with Trump. He might destroy the country because he’s too dumb not to.** Abandoning the principles of Diversity, Equality and Inclusion (which ARE Ameirca’s fundamental valuesimeanaspirations, no matter what _fucking_ **MAGAts** assert) is still a form of destroying the country. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2024, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/590 "2024-12-02T21:04:47Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Whatever the Republicans want it to mean. > > Yes, it’s a medical document. But it’s also an official document from which legal rights are derived. Once again, people are arguing about this as if it should _make sense_. That is not a necessary condition for anything the Republicans want to do. It didn’t “make sense” to let Trump appoint a new SCOTUS judge just weeks before an election, after they blocked Obama from doing it a year before an election, but they did it anyways. It doesn’t “make sense” to try to lower prices by imposing tariffs, but they’re going to do it anyways. It didn’t “make sense” to spout nonsense about people eating cats and dogs on national television, but Trump did it anyways. Stop trying to make it make sense. We concede that none of it makes sense, and it _never will_. But it will happen anyways. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2024, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/591 "2024-12-02T21:07:18Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Just to be clear - this is an entirely hypothetical scenario and not something that Trump or Republicans have stated an intent of doing. Claiming birth certificates are forgeries is something Trump and the Republicans have already done. Obviously at this point it’s only hypothetical that they will do it a second time. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2024, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/592 "2024-12-02T21:18:38Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > But yes I’m shocked that a prominent Muslim activist could be that naive to think Mr Muslim ban, sitting atop a party that repeats IDF talking points verbatim, which basically depict Palestinians as sub humans, is about to bring salvation. > **['All hell to pay!' Trump issues direct threat to Hamas over Israeli hostages](https://www.rawstory.com/trump-gaza-ceasefire/)** > > Donald Trump warned there would be "all hell to pay" in the Middle East once he's inaugurated.The president-elect has called for a ceasefire and hostage deal in Gaza before Jan. 20, when he will be sworn in for a second term in the White House.... ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2024, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/593 "2024-12-02T21:20:00Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Claiming birth certificates are forgeries is something Trump and the Republicans have already done. We’re not talking about “claiming birth certificates are forgeries”. We’re talking about a fantasy scenario where Trump declares that states no longer have the authority to issue birth certificates and/or claims he can “suspend” them, because people on this board want to be oppressed so badly that we’re now making up things to be afraid of. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2024, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/594 "2024-12-02T21:49:03Z")
Yup. Doesn’t “make sense.” 🙄 At least if our hypotheticals don’t happen it’ll be a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/595 "2024-12-03T03:00:43Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > We’re talking about a fantasy scenario where Trump declares that states no longer have the authority to issue birth certificates and/or claims he can “suspend” them Then I’m glad I didn’t say that. Maybe next you can explain how people’s hypothetical claims about their faces being eaten by a leopard are completely unfounded because it was actually a jaguar that ate them. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/596 "2024-12-03T03:09:33Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Then I’m glad I didn’t say that. Ahem. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > So Trump can issue an executive order declaring that the federal government can review birth certificates and suspend any that it feels are questionable. Congress and the Supreme Court will whistle and look over their shoulders while he does so. The federal bureaucracy will follow Trump’s orders. > > Some states governments will be happy with Trump’s actions. Others will strongly oppose them. But as I noted, politics is about who has more power. And states do not have more power than the federal government. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/597 "2024-12-03T07:02:37Z")
You’re making it easy for me. As you just quoted, here’s what I wrote: > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > So Trump can issue an executive order declaring that the federal government can review birth certificates and suspend any that it feels are questionable. And here’s what you wrote: > [@Smapti](#): > > We’re talking about a fantasy scenario where Trump declares that states no longer have the authority to issue birth certificates Show me where I said Trump will declare states no longer have the authority to issue birth certificates. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/598 "2024-12-03T07:48:34Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > And here’s what you wrote: Good job leaving off the part of the sentence that exposes your backpedaling. Just because you apparently can’t remember what you wrote a couple days ago doesn’t mean I’m so afflicted. > [@Smapti](#): > > We’re not talking about “claiming birth certificates are forgeries”. We’re talking about a fantasy scenario where Trump declares that states no longer have the authority to issue birth certificates **and/or claims he can “suspend” them** ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/599 "2024-12-03T07:56:51Z")
That’s still different to what you claimed. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/600 "2024-12-03T08:42:14Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Remember - if there is no birth certificate then there is no proof of parentage, which makes the child a foundling and therefore a US citizen by default. For now. > [@Smapti](#): > > This is not a course of action Trump or Republicans would pursue. They’ve been pursuing it. Yes, you and I see the clear language of the amendment. But they obvious don’t believe it’s that clear. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=31)