# Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 12, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166 "2024-11-12T19:54:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/601 "2024-12-03T18:09:53Z")
Trump doesn’t have the resources and logistics necessary to even deport all of the undocumented immigrants, much less natural born citizens. So I highly doubt that he would go there, rather than going after the low hanging fruit. Some citizens will probably be caught up in the mix and have to go through bureaucratic hell trying to prove their status, but I don’t see him going through the major effort it would take to rewrite citizenship. Maybe in 5-10 years but not in this term. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/602 "2024-12-03T20:46:04Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Trump doesn’t have the resources and logistics necessary to even deport all of the undocumented immigrants, much less natural born citizens. He’ll have the military, which is all he needs. Especially once he decides “shoot on sight” is easier than deportation. Just kill anyone brown. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/603 "2024-12-03T21:08:33Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Especially once he decides “shoot on sight” is easier than deportation. Just kill anyone brown. About 40% of the military IS brown, you lunatic. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/604 "2024-12-03T21:27:33Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > About 40% of the military IS brown, you lunatic. And the Trumpites are already talking about all the people they are going to kick out of the military. Even assuming that they wouldn’t kill people with the same skin color - which I doubt - they’d just be purged with the rest. This is race war, and they are the enemy; they’ll be gotten around to sooner or later. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/605 "2024-12-03T21:55:24Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > About 40% of the military IS brown, you lunatic. forget it, Jake, it’s trihstown. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/606 "2024-12-03T22:03:51Z")
I’m not quite as pessimistic as Der Trihs, but I’m also not reassured at all by the fact that there are minorities in the military. Tens of millions of brown people voted for Trump after “They are eating the dawgs” and the RNC Nuremberg rally. And the military leans more right than the general public. I don’t see any possibility at all of brown people in the military suddenly noticing that they are working with the leopards to round up people who look just like them. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/607 "2024-12-03T22:47:54Z")
So let me see if I have your reasoning correctly here. As long as I throw an “and/or” into a sentence, I can put a false statement and a true statement together and then claim that the sentence as a whole is technically true. Let me try: _Donald Trump made his fortune producing child pornography and/or developing real estate._ Would you agree this sentence is true? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Duality](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.duality/32/4098_2.png) [@Mr.Duality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Duality)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/608 "2024-12-03T23:07:58Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > He’ll have the military, which is all he needs. Especially once he decides “shoot on sight” is easier than deportation. Just kill anyone brown. The part about killing anyone who is brown is just stupid, as pointed out by @Smapti in the post following yours (and shame on you for making me agree with him.) I guarantee that the military won’t obey illegal orders such as rounding up civilians within US borders. The US military has a long tradition of NOT being political or conducting non-humanitarian missions within US borders. The Pentagon has been workshopping ways to respond if (when) Cheeto Mussolini issues illegal orders. Active duty personnel get regular seminars on not obeying illegal orders. As per Military Times, a study was done which found that active duty personnel are very little affected by radical politics, although discharged veterans do have such problems. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/609 "2024-12-03T23:38:29Z")
> [@Mr.Duality](#): > > I guarantee that the military won’t obey illegal orders such as rounding up civilians within US borders. Meanwhile in real life military forces are typically quite happy to ignore the law if ordered. And once the present military command has been fired and replaced with Trump cultists they’ll be even more willing. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Duality](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.duality/32/4098_2.png) [@Mr.Duality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Duality)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/610 "2024-12-03T23:42:41Z")
Gonna start calling you “Goose”, because you only perceive your own dizzy little world. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2024, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/611 "2024-12-04T00:02:05Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > So let me see if I have your reasoning correctly here. As long as I throw an “and/or” into a sentence, I can put a false statement and a true statement together and then claim that the sentence as a whole is technically true. You realize you’re not the only person peddling this birth certificate nonsense, right? You aren’t the only person in this conversation. > [@Monty](#): > > I do not believe for a moment that executive order will not include a prohibition on even issuing birth certificates for certain children. > [@Zyada](#): > > If he decides that the department of homeland security should be allowed to oversee the issuance of birth certificates and California objects, then they have to bring suit against him. And while that suit wends its way through the courts, people will be affected > [@Horatius](#): > > So, create a new Federal Standard for birth certificates, that can exclude anyone born who can’t prove their parents are both citizens ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2024, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/612 "2024-12-04T00:11:47Z")
> [@Mr.Duality](#): > > Active duty personnel get regular seminars on not obeying illegal orders. Do they? I don’t recall any myself, except as part of my college course on leadership and ethics (right next to “don’t lie to inspectors” and “don’t falsify records”, both of which happen… all the time, often under orders). What I _do_ remember is, as part of my JPME I qualification, reading guidance that stated, in essence “all orders issued by the National Command Authority are presumed to be lawful.” The NCA being the President and the Secretary of Defense (and to recap, the current pick is a white supremacist Fox “News” host with Christian nationalist tattoos). So… yeah. Not holding my breath that the military will act as a bastion against Trump once he purges the first round of general or flag officers to offer even the slightest push back. He’s learned his lesson from his first term in office: tell the Milleys in the office to STFU or else stand by to be cashiered and replaced by someone else. Wash, rinse, repeat until he lands on someone willing to do his bidding. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2024, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/613 "2024-12-04T00:25:18Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Let me try: _Donald Trump made his fortune producing child pornography and/or developing real estate._ > > Would you agree this sentence is true? You might try a statement that is at least partly true. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2024, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/614 "2024-12-04T00:43:07Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > > So let me see if I have your reasoning correctly here. As long as I throw an “and/or” into a sentence, I can put a false statement and a true statement together and then claim that the sentence as a whole is technically true. > > You realize you’re not the only person peddling this birth certificate nonsense, right? You aren’t the only person in this conversation. So now your argument is that I said things that other people said. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2024, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/615 "2024-12-04T00:45:47Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > So now your argument is that I said things that other people said You are not the only person in this thread. Not everything that I say is directed to you and you alone. Get the fuck over yourself. If you want to pretend you never said what you said, then feel free to fuck off, but don’t go insisting that nobody else said anything similar. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2024, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/616 "2024-12-04T01:00:31Z")
> [@Mr.Duality](#): > > The Pentagon has been workshopping ways to respond if (when) Cheeto Mussolini issues illegal orders. Active duty personnel get regular seminars on not obeying illegal orders. I would _really_ like some links showing either or both of these statements to be true. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2024, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/617 "2024-12-04T01:04:50Z")
Here’s one of them. it’s not as solid as suggested, but it’s _something_, anyway. > **[Military officials reportedly discuss how to handle illegal orders from Trump...](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/nov/08/us-election-live-donald-trump-cabinet-house-of-representatives)** > > Pentagon officials discuss what to do if Trump were to attempt to deploy the military domestically, CNN reports ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2024, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/618 "2024-12-04T01:08:41Z")
From that site: "Trump has suggested he would be open to using active-duty forces for domestic law enforcement and mass deportations and has indicated he wants to stack the federal government with loyalists and “clean out corrupt actors” in the US national security establishment. Officials are now gaming out various scenarios as they prepare for an overhaul of the Pentagon. “We are all preparing and planning for the worst-case scenario, but the reality is that we don’t know how this is going to play out yet,” one defense official said. Trump’s election has also raised questions inside the Pentagon about what would happen if the president issued an unlawful order, particularly if his political appointees inside the department don’t push back. “Troops are compelled by law to disobey unlawful orders,” said another defense official. “But the question is what happens then – do we see resignations from senior military leaders? Or would they view that as abandoning their people?” Not very reassuring at all, is it? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2024, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/619 "2024-12-04T01:39:24Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > > So now your argument is that I said things that other people said > > You are not the only person in this thread. Not everything that I say is directed to you and you alone. This is a message board, Smapti. Everything that people have said is right here for people to read. Which is what’s making it hard for you when you try to bullshit your way out of this. I haven’t been talking about the things you said to other people. I’ve been talking about the things you said specifically to me. > [@Smapti](#): > > > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > > Claiming birth certificates are forgeries is something Trump and the Republicans have already done. > > We’re not talking about “claiming birth certificates are forgeries”. We’re talking about a fantasy scenario where Trump declares that states no longer have the authority to issue birth certificates and/or claims he can “suspend” them, because people on this board want to be oppressed so badly that we’re now making up things to be afraid of. That’s you, quoting my post and responding to my post. And here’s my response. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > [@Smapti](#): > > > > We’re talking about a fantasy scenario where Trump declares that states no longer have the authority to issue birth certificates and/or claims he can “suspend” them > > Then I’m glad I didn’t say that. > > Maybe next you can explain how people’s hypothetical claims about their faces being eaten by a leopard are completely unfounded because it was actually a jaguar that ate them. Now you could have said something at this point like “You’re right, Nemo, you didn’t say that. Other people said that and I got confused about who said what.” But you didn’t. > [@Smapti](#): > > > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > > Then I’m glad I didn’t say that. > > Ahem. > > > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > > So Trump can issue an executive order declaring that the federal government can review birth certificates and suspend any that it feels are questionable. Congress and the Supreme Court will whistle and look over their shoulders while he does so. The federal bureaucracy will follow Trump’s orders. > > > > Some states governments will be happy with Trump’s actions. Others will strongly oppose them. But as I noted, politics is about who has more power. And states do not have more power than the federal government. So I pointed out again that I hadn’t said what you were claiming I had said. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > You’re making it easy for me. > > As you just quoted, here’s what I wrote: > > > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > > So Trump can issue an executive order declaring that the federal government can review birth certificates and suspend any that it feels are questionable. > > And here’s what you wrote: > > > [@Smapti](#): > > > > We’re talking about a fantasy scenario where Trump declares that states no longer have the authority to issue birth certificates > > Show me where I said Trump will declare states no longer have the authority to issue birth certificates. Once again, you refused to admit you were wrong. You now tried to claim I was editing posts. (To avoid you making this claim again, I have quoted all of these posts in full.) > [@Smapti](#): > > > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > > And here’s what you wrote: > > Good job leaving off the part of the sentence that exposes your backpedaling. Just because you apparently can’t remember what you wrote a couple days ago doesn’t mean I’m so afflicted. > > > [@Smapti](#): > > > > We’re not talking about “claiming birth certificates are forgeries”. We’re talking about a fantasy scenario where Trump declares that states no longer have the authority to issue birth certificates **and/or claims he can “suspend” them** You emphasized the “and/or” in your response, so I addressed that. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > So let me see if I have your reasoning correctly here. As long as I throw an “and/or” into a sentence, I can put a false statement and a true statement together and then claim that the sentence as a whole is technically true. > > Let me try: _Donald Trump made his fortune producing child pornography and/or developing real estate._ > > Would you agree this sentence is true? I want you to notice something, Smapti. This was entirely a one-on-one conversation between you and me. But here was your response. > [@Smapti](#): > > > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > > So let me see if I have your reasoning correctly here. As long as I throw an “and/or” into a sentence, I can put a false statement and a true statement together and then claim that the sentence as a whole is technically true. > > You realize you’re not the only person peddling this birth certificate nonsense, right? You aren’t the only person in this conversation. > > > [@Monty](#): > > > > I do not believe for a moment that executive order will not include a prohibition on even issuing birth certificates for certain children. > > > [@Zyada](#): > > > > If he decides that the department of homeland security should be allowed to oversee the issuance of birth certificates and California objects, then they have to bring suit against him. And while that suit wends its way through the courts, people will be affected > > > [@Horatius](#): > > > > So, create a new Federal Standard for birth certificates, that can exclude anyone born who can’t prove their parents are both citizens If you we’re also arguing with Monty and Zyada and Horatius, I had nothing to do with that. If they wanted to respond to whatever accusations you were directing at them, they could so so. I was only responding to the accusations you were directing at me. Which is why I said. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > [@Smapti](#): > > > > > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > > > > So let me see if I have your reasoning correctly here. As long as I throw an “and/or” into a sentence, I can put a false statement and a true statement together and then claim that the sentence as a whole is technically true. > > > > You realize you’re not the only person peddling this birth certificate nonsense, right? You aren’t the only person in this conversation. > > So now your argument is that I said things that other people said. Now everyone’s all caught up, including you. Do you want to continue this? Or are you hoping I will choose to > [@Smapti](#): > > Get the fuck over yourself. If you want to pretend you never said what you said, then feel free to fuck off, but don’t go insisting that nobody else said anything similar. Because I’m standing by what I’ve said. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2024, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/620 "2024-12-04T01:48:43Z")
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