# Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 12, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166 "2024-11-12T19:54:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/661 "2024-12-06T04:31:28Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > your solution is to get _some_ people to labor on chain gangs after you deport yet _other_ people, when you could just swap out deportation for that chain gang solution to begin with? Forget it, Jake. It’s Trumptown. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/662 "2024-12-06T05:24:54Z")
This way, you can be cruel to twice as many people. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/663 "2024-12-06T14:25:00Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > > …and ending funding for federal prisons How is that supposed to work? Are they going to just let everyone out? I mean, even if you re-define “prison” to be a big hole in the ground you just toss people into and forget about them, you still need to pay to dig the hole, and pay the people who do the tossing-into. Or are they completely misunderstanding the concept of “for profit prisons”? ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/664 "2024-12-06T14:41:01Z")
The whole thing (the claimed aims of the trump administration and toadies) is simply random spoutings that don’t make individual sense and sure as hell don’t add up to a collectively coherent philosophy. To the degree there are any underlying themes, one of the biggies is that there’s waaaay too many government employees. Eliminating the work many of them do, and outsourcing substantially all the rest to controllable private companies seems to be a goal. But not the various forms of police. Just everything else. Although I would not put private for-profit police forces beyond them. But they’d probably have to grow into that idea over more than 4 years. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/665 "2024-12-06T15:07:32Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > How is that supposed to work? Are they going to just let everyone out? I suspect the idea is to replace federal funding by making them profitable using slave labor; or to just kill people out of hand and not bother with prisons. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/666 "2024-12-06T15:09:02Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Or are they completely misunderstanding the concept of “for profit prisons”? Would ‘for profit prison’ fall under the heading of ‘private prison’ instead of ‘federal prison’? Like a ‘charter prison’. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/667 "2024-12-06T15:09:38Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > To the degree there are any underlying themes, one of the biggies is that there’s waaaay too many government employees. Eliminating the work many of them do, and outsourcing substantially all the rest to controllable private companies seems to be a goal. Yeah it’s the old “a federal government small enough to drown in the bathtub” canard. It really means one small enough so that it can be run directly by the party Boss, for private benefit, that provides so few benefits the people have to depend on the patronage of those private beneficiaries to meet their needs; BUT that still is able to apply maximum brute force to enforce the Boss’ will. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/668 "2024-12-06T15:12:50Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > by making them profitable using slave labor; I was thinking that, but here’s the thing: We already know that minimum wage isn’t enough to live on, pretty much anywhere in the US (and Canada, btw). And a prison building is likely more expensive to run than a cheap apartment building, if for no other reason you need to pay for guards. So who is going to pay _above minimum wage_ for prison labor? Why not just hire non-prisoners for minimum wage? Using prisoners as cheap labor makes sense today, since their basic incarceration costs are paid for by the contract with the government to run the prison. The money brought in by the labor contract is almost pure profit, so it doesn’t matter if they have to undercut minimum wage to attract customers. But drop the massive up-front subsidy of the prison, and it just doesn’t add up. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/669 "2024-12-06T15:15:45Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > it just doesn’t add up. This assumes a level of competence and foresight that has never been evidenced by the people involved. They come up with the brilliant ideas. If they don’t work out, it’s the fault of the peons for failing to implement the vision. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/670 "2024-12-06T15:18:13Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > This assumes a level of competence and foresight that has never been evidenced by the people involved. > > They come up with the brilliant ideas. Oh, I never expected them to have actually done the math on this. I’m just queueing up for my Surprised Pikachu Face when the obvious math that they completely missed bites them in the ass. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/671 "2024-12-06T15:36:00Z")
But it won’t bite them in the ass. Just everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/672 "2024-12-06T16:40:22Z")
Private prisons make money now. For tbe prison owners. That’s the only measure of merit the Fascists and tosdies are looking at. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/673 "2024-12-06T16:57:44Z")
And end the VA health system? I’ll bet that many veterans are among the MAGA faithful. If they’re actually willing to act against the interests of their supporters, I’ll be surprised but a little impressed. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/674 "2024-12-06T17:41:26Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I’ll bet that many veterans are among the MAGA faithful. If they’re actually willing to act against the interests of their supporters, I’ll be surprised but a little impressed. Backstabbing your supporters once their usefulness is ended has [a long tradition among fascists](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives). ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/675 "2024-12-06T17:46:54Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Private prisons make money now. For tbe prison owners. That’s the only measure of merit the Fascists and tosdies are looking at Yes, but what is the source of that money? As I said, it’s the contracts they have with the government to hold the prisoners. If DOGE cuts the prison budget, that money disappears. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/676 "2024-12-06T19:04:20Z")
First they ship them off to blue areas then the want them removed. Make up your minds people. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/677 "2024-12-06T19:12:39Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > And end the VA health system? I’ll bet that many veterans are among the MAGA faithful. Well, they’re ‘losers’ and ‘suckers’. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/678 "2024-12-06T19:27:07Z")
And when I hear Trump call them this sort of thing, I wonder why they ever supported him. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/679 "2024-12-06T19:46:36Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > And when I hear Trump call them this sort of thing, I wonder why they ever supported him With the exception of his comment about John McCain (“I like people who weren’t captured”), I think that most of the negative comments which Trump is said to have made about soldiers and veterans have been things that have been reported by others, and aren’t things that Trump said during public speeches or statements. I suspect that, like a lot of things about Trump, his supporters choose to disbelieve that he might have actually said those things, and rationalize that the second-hand quotes are lies. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/680 "2024-12-06T21:23:55Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > and aren’t things that Trump said during public speeches or statements. I tried to find a few examples of him actually speaking instead of being reported on: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/JRjfGfvNHVk/hqdefault.jpg "Military Veterans React to President Trump Clips | Joe Biden For President 2020") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRjfGfvNHVk) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/17tmyBeiYC0/maxresdefault.jpg "CNN's Keilar rolls the tape on Trump's attacks on military members and their families") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17tmyBeiYC0&t=334) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/W7xVDDOAR_A/maxresdefault.jpg "Trump sparks fury from veterans over Presidential Medal of Freedom remark") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7xVDDOAR_A) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=35)