# Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 12, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166 "2024-11-12T19:54:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2024, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/781 "2024-12-26T04:54:25Z")
I don’t know if that’s better or worse than _The Marching Morons_. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2024, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/782 "2024-12-26T05:59:32Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > The smart people finally grasp exactly how stupid the stupid people really are, and so start to actively manipulate them. I suggested that months ago, buy up Fox News, OAN, and the rest of the outlets then _give them what they want_. Trump made President for Life so there are no more elections, the Biden crime family lined up against a wall and shot, Mexicans of all nationalities trucked to the border then forced across with shock sticks. If they step outside their bubbles and notice things aren’t quite how they look of the teevee, it’s crisis actors in the Deep State’s last chance grasping at straws. ---
**Author:** ![mozchron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mozchron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mozchron)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2024, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/783 "2024-12-26T15:32:53Z")
[‘Please take care of us’: Pennsylvania Trump voter begs GOP not to cut Social Security](https://www.rawstory.com/trump-pennsylvania-2670681371/) ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2024, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/784 "2024-12-26T15:46:38Z")
This line just kills me > “I think he knows it’s the poor people that got him elected, so I think Trump is going to do more to help us.” Why would he ? - he already got what he wanted and there’s really nothing more he can get from them. Maybe if he really thought he was running again in 2028 but I don’t think even he believes that. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2024, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/785 "2024-12-26T15:49:48Z")
> [@doreen](#): > > Maybe if he really thought he was running again in 2028 but I don’t think even he believes that. I think he really does want to stay in power in 2028, but “the will of the voters” will have little to do with that. He’ll have to subvert a lot of rules to pull that off, and so knows it won’t involve any kind of normal electoral process. So long as enough of the deplorables with guns are on his side, he’ll figure he has a chance, and we’ve already seen how a lot of those types will ignore his failures. ---
**Author:** ![XOldiesJock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ec9cab/32.png) [@XOldiesJock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XOldiesJock)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2024, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/786 "2024-12-26T17:43:58Z")
_“He is more attuned to the needs of everyone instead of just the rich,” she said. “I think he knows it’s the poor people that got him elected, so I think Trump is going to do more to help us.”_ People who say things like this utterly confound me. Against all evidence to the contrary, they hold onto this fallacy. Willful ignorance is all it is. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2024, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/787 "2024-12-26T17:52:59Z")
Either that or it’s just something nicer to say to a reporter than what she’s really thinking: “I want him to deport all the non-whites as he’s promised to do”. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2024, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/788 "2024-12-26T18:07:00Z")
“…and that way when they’re gone there will be jobs and money and housing and health care to spare for Good Americans like me.” ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2024, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/789 "2024-12-26T18:14:15Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > “…and that way when they’re gone there will be jobs and money…" When all of the low-wage workers are deported, then there will be jobs for everybody. But there won’t be any money, because the employers won’t want to pay what Real Americans™ are used to. (Also, the work is too hard for Real Americans™.) ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2024, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/790 "2024-12-26T20:17:52Z")
“Farah Khan, a co-chair of the Abandon Harris campaign in Michigan, said she’s been a lifelong Democrat, but not anymore. She viewed voting against Harris as a moral issue as the war continues to unfold,” telling NBC, “Anybody with their right mind would not go back to the Democrats, because they have not shown any change, and they’re going to have to work really, really hard to win their votes back.” Addressing how Trump appealed to the Muslim community, she stated, "He at least, at least came and spoke to the Muslims. He heard them and said, ‘Okay, I will finish. I will end the war in Middle East,’ even if he didn’t say, you know, a genocide, but he said he will bring peace. And that’s what the people wanted to hear, and that’s why he got the votes.” > **['Very troubling': Leader of 'Abandon Harris' movement now anxious about Trump...](https://www.rawstory.com/trump-muslims-regret/)** > > In interviews with NBC News, prominent members of the "Abandon Harris" maintained they made the right decision to either not vote for Vice President Kamala Harris or cast their ballot for Donald Trump despite previously being in the Democrats'... You might say he’s promising a final solution. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2024, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/791 "2024-12-26T20:30:50Z")
The must utterly batshit line from Farah Khan: > …but we still have to wait and see how things pan out, because it’s too early to say anything about Trump… How fucking stupid are you? _Wait and see_? Too early? We’re you in a fucking coma his first four years (or, he’ll, even first week) a President!? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2024, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/792 "2024-12-26T22:39:09Z")
I hope they all starve to death under a bridge. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2024, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/793 "2024-12-26T23:04:44Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > must … We’re … he’ll … a President!? I just want to say how annoyed I am right now with the autocorrect feature on my iPad. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2024, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/794 "2024-12-26T23:15:00Z")
Us too. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2024, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/795 "2024-12-26T23:48:00Z")
**I hope Hitler doesn’t start a war** > [@mozchron](#): > > ‘Please take care of us’: Pennsylvania Trump voter begs GOP not to cut Social Security Gifted WAPO article, which is what the story was based on. “After backing Trump, low-income voters hope he doesn’t slash their benefits: Voters in the struggling Pennsylvania city of New Castle backed Trump hoping he’d curb inflation. But the incoming president will be under pressure to cut spending.” [https://wapo.st/4grQrVy](https://wapo.st/4grQrVy) The following is based on early exit polls: we need to wait for properly weighted data. It is nonetheless suggestive. > Fifty percent of voters from families with an income of less than $50,000 a year cast their ballots for Trump, according to the data, compared with 48 percent for Vice President [Kamala Harris](https://www.washingtonpost.com/kamala-harris/?itid=lk_inline_manual_10). [Four years ago](https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2020/exit-polls/presidential-election-exit-polls/?itid=lk_inline_manual_10), President Joe Biden carried those voters by 11 percentage points; Hillary Clinton won them by 12 points [in 2016](https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/exit-polls/?itid=lk_inline_manual_10) and former president Barack Obama by 22 points in 2012. AFAICT, lower income voters were concerned about inflation, because they were hit harder by inflation. Wages and benefits adjust with inflation, but with a lag so lower income people tend to receive more punishment. This effect isn’t widely understood among the chattering classes, so Democratic politicians don’t talk a lot about it. The smart thing for Democratic politicians to do would be to be _outraged_ about inflation and give off the vibe of fighting it without going so far as to do something fast and effective like jack up unemployment and spark a recession. As it is, inflation was down by Nov 4th, but apparently memories remained. Also Trump promised he would bring back old grocery prices, something he backed away from this month. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2024, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/796 "2024-12-27T00:00:57Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > This effect isn’t widely understood among the chattering classes, so Democratic politicians don’t talk a lot about it. But why would they talk about that when that _isn’t_ what happened this time? It feels like capitulating to the rhetoric, based on a pattern which didn’t apply this time. > [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Also Trump promised he would bring back old grocery prices, something he backed away from this month. Did trump promise that explicitly? Mostly it was just cherrypicking something which has seen the most inflation, like eggs, exaggerating the price and contrasting with how much cheaper they were when he was president. It was mostly left as an exercise for the listener (and fox news etc) to draw the inference. Which is interesting. He has no problem lying of course but he may know this is a particularly hard one to gaslight. Like, of course from day 1 of trump’s presidency the right wing media will stop lying about the economy. But they can’t flip the talking point on inflation without prices genuinely coming down. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2024, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/797 "2024-12-27T00:14:40Z")
I should have said Social Security cost of living increases, rather than the more generic, “Benefits”. Also, wages have gone up higher than inflation (though not the minimum wage). As for Trump’s promises, Huffpo recounts some of them: > “Prices will come down,” Trump [said during a rally in August](https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/20/business/trump-inflation-prices-deflation/index.html). “You just watch: They’ll come down, and they’ll come down fast, not only with insurance, with everything.” > “We will end inflation and make America affordable again, and we’re going to get the prices down, we have to get them down,” Trump said [at a rally in September.](https://www.c-span.org/program/campaign-2024/former-president-trump-campaigns-in-erie-pennsylvania/649590) “It’s too much. Groceries, cars, everything. We’re going to get the prices down.” Kevin Drum provides a taste of reality: the Dems strengthen the safety net. > **[A look at the poor people who think Trump will help them - Kevin Drum](https://jabberwocking.com/a-look-at-the-poor-people-who-think-trump-will-help-them/)** > > Today the Washington Post profiles New Castle, Pennsylvania, a desperately poor town where a quarter of all families live in poverty. But most of them voted for Donald Trump anyway even though they depend on welfare benefits that Republicans have... > The delusion here is painful. It’s on Democrats that so many people have apparently given up on them, but I still wonder what they could have done. Joe Biden increased food stamp benefits permanently by nearly $200 _after_ inflation. He cut the poverty rate from Trump’s first-term average of 11.1% to 10.1% in 2023. He made Obamacare cheaper for everyone. Even after the recent unwinding, he’s expanded the Medicaid rolls by 8.3 million. SSI benefits went up 22%—more than inflation. He wrote generous stimulus checks at the height of the pandemic against united Republican opposition. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2024, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/798 "2024-12-27T00:23:25Z")
This is the WashPost article, isn’t it? I’m guessing that just from the quote, having read it earlier today. Zero sympathy for those wilfully deluded fools. ETA: Checked, and while it’s a link to Raw Story, it’s lifted from the very article I was assuming it to be. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2024, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/799 "2024-12-27T04:12:51Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > [A look at the poor people who think Trump will help them – Kevin Drum](https://jabberwocking.com/a-look-at-the-poor-people-who-think-trump-will-help-them/) “ **We are old and tired and just want to be taken care of** , and Trump has too much common sense, so I don’t think he is going to do anything to hurt us.” Oh, so what you really want is something like socialism? Fucking idiots. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2024, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/800 "2024-12-27T04:54:30Z")
Most people DO want something like socialism. But they don’t understand what socialism actually is and just associate it with “bad”, “evil”, “anti-white” or “unchristian”. So yes, fucking idiots. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=39) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=41)