# Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 12, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166 "2024-11-12T19:54:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2024, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/821 "2024-12-27T19:17:27Z")
I dunno there, @Johnny_L.A, my BIL has insider knowledge that St Jude is a shit show and your donation won’t be quite the Johnny-send you might hope. AFAS “billionaires don’t like regulations:” they only dislike the regulations that hamper themselves. Otherwise, they actively lobby and take a hand in writing the often pointless regulations that prevent smaller competitors from encroaching on their sinecure ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2024, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/822 "2024-12-27T19:19:34Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > > [@Procrustus](#): > > > > If I had that kind of money, I wouldn’t worry about the tax rates. I would have plenty after taxes. More than plenty. > > Exactly. I could make sizeable donations (to St. Jude’s Children’s Research Hospital in particular, and whatever local charities I could find), and pay taxes, _and_ have more money than I could ever spend. And the reason you’ll never be seriously rich is that those folks don’t understand the concept of “plenty”. More accurately, they don’t comprehend the idea that “plenty” could even exist. There is only more; never plenty. I’m not saying they are right or you are wrong. Just that your POV makes no sense in their world, just as theirs makes no sense in yours. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2024, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/823 "2024-12-27T19:30:15Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > I dunno there, @Johnny_L.A, my BIL has insider knowledge that St Jude is a shit show and your donation won’t be quite the Johnny-send you might hope. I’ve heard that. Nevertheless. > [@LSLGuy](#): > > And the reason you’ll never be seriously rich is that those folks don’t understand the concept of “plenty”. I want a vintage Porsche 911SC, and I want my Yamaha XJ600 restored. I want a couple of airplanes and a helicopter (nothing outrageous). That’s much less than a megabuck. What’s left? A vacation home? A bigger primary residence? What else do I need? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2024, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/824 "2024-12-27T20:03:41Z")
Never mind. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2024, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/825 "2024-12-27T20:06:41Z")
Agreed ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2024, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/826 "2024-12-27T21:46:44Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > What else do I need? More Imagination. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2024, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/827 "2024-12-27T22:18:30Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > > > > [@Procrustus](#): > > > > > > If I had that kind of money, I wouldn’t worry about the tax rates. I would have plenty after taxes. More than plenty. > > > > Exactly. I could make sizeable donations (to St. Jude’s Children’s Research Hospital in particular, and whatever local charities I could find), and pay taxes, _and_ have more money than I could ever spend. > > And the reason you’ll never be seriously rich is that those folks don’t understand the concept of “plenty”. More accurately, they don’t comprehend the idea that “plenty” could even exist. There is only more; never plenty. > … Once people have a certain amount of money, they become obsessed by their rank on lists of who has the most money. Impressing other rich people costs _a lot_. So if a politician promises to leave them with a few extra million at tax time, they are all in. It’s not really about the fun things you can do with money or the good feeling of giving money or the pleasant life you can buy with money. It’s about the raw numbers. And you’ll do anything, just about, to boost those numbers. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2024, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/828 "2024-12-28T00:06:17Z")
Yanno, half an hour ago I was planning a trip to the supermarket and making my shopping list (because there was a single item I keep forgetting to pick up). But when it came time to add that missing item, I simply _could not_ think what it is.\* My brain is having the same problem with what the fuck PE stands for in the last few posts. A little help? TIA > [@Sherrerd](#): > > Once people have a certain amount of money, they become obsessed by their rank on lists of who has the most money. > > Impressing other rich people costs _a lot_. So if a politician promises to leave them with a few extra million at tax time, they are all in. > > It’s not really about the fun things you can do with money or the good feeling of giving money or the pleasant life you can buy with money. It’s about the raw numbers. And you’ll do anything, just about, to boost those numbers. That seems…_broken_ to me. Sociopathic, even. ---
**Author:** ![Xocomil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xocomil/32/14927_2.png) [@Xocomil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xocomil)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2024, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/829 "2024-12-28T00:12:47Z")
Private equity? ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2024, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/830 "2024-12-28T00:41:47Z")
You know, how if you’re an individual, or a business, or even a small nation… and above a certain percentage point, where your income goes straight to serving your debt, beyond which you’re basically screwed? No banker other than the mafia would lend you money at that rate? That’s PE. But they don’t borrow or lend at that rate. They buy a vulnerable business and siphon off its profits and then its assets, at and above the recovery rate. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2024, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/831 "2024-12-28T00:56:23Z")
> [@robby](#): > > I couldn’t agree with you more about this. I think this perfectly describes the thinking (or lack thereof) of many of my non-MAGA but relatively affluent in-laws, acquaintances, and co-workers who voted for Trump. One of my college professors told us about a study showing broke-ass young workers (so should be in the Democratic wheelhouse) vote Republican because they imagine they will soon be affluent. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2024, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/832 "2024-12-28T00:58:20Z")
> … don’t forget that most men with nothing would rather protect the possibility of becoming rich than face the reality of being poor _1776_ ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2024, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/833 "2024-12-28T02:51:04Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > It’s about the raw numbers. And you’ll do anything, just about, to boost those numbers. They are [hungry ghosts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungry_ghost), doomed to be ever thirsty, ever hungry, never finding satiety. If you cannot pay off your karmic debt the next stop is one of several hells then after that dissolution; the universe has no further use of you. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2024, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/834 "2024-12-28T05:03:57Z")
LM - and I cannpot stress this enough - FAO [![](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:x4g4laxkmsrczwvnvbbgsm7g/bafkreifzbdzpahklqipkfgvpwlzlqs7zdvpb4bwuja6wq74dlcatpmchfq@jpeg) ](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:x4g4laxkmsrczwvnvbbgsm7g/bafkreifzbdzpahklqipkfgvpwlzlqs7zdvpb4bwuja6wq74dlcatpmchfq@jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2024, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/835 "2024-12-28T05:15:21Z")
I hope he does go to war over this issue. And, as an immigration attorney with so many far more vulnerable clients than relatively privileged H1B visa applicants, I hope he wins. But I also hope for him personally the blowback is catastrophic and Trump decides to pull this thread: > **[Elon Musk Could Have US Citizenship Revoked If He Lied on Immigration Forms](https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-citizenship-revoked-denaturalized/)** > > The richest man in the world appears to have worked in the US without authorization. According to experts, if he did so and lied about it as part of the immigration process, he could be denaturalized. Because fuck him. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2024, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/836 "2024-12-28T05:47:39Z")
I doubt that’ll happen, but I am enjoying the show of watching him realize in real time that white nationalism is incompatible with laissez-faire capitalism, and the magas who accepted him with open arms figuring out that billionaires are not and never were on their side. Musk is a living breathing example of the parable of Chesterson’s Fence. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2024, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/837 "2024-12-28T05:54:19Z")
That would be one of the best things to ever happen. I doubt it will work out that way. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2024, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/838 "2024-12-28T05:57:59Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > LM - and I cannpot stress this enough - FAO Lunar Module and Food and Agriculture Organisation? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2024, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/839 "2024-12-28T06:17:46Z")
Laughing My - and I cannot stress this enough - Fucking Ass Off. It took me a while to see it. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2024, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/840 "2024-12-28T06:20:39Z")
Tesla “made America strong?” All I’ve seen is that it supplanted BMW as “biggest assholes in traffic.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=41) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=43)