# Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 12, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166 "2024-11-12T19:54:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 50
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2025, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/981 "2025-01-18T20:23:24Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Do you believe they’re capable of giving two “yes” answers? Or would that be too, uh, cute? As the Wizard told Scarecrow, “I can’t give you any brains but I _can_ give you a diploma.” ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2025, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/982 "2025-01-18T20:50:26Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Do you believe they’re capable of giving two “yes” answers? Or would that be too, uh, cute? If they’re asked at separate times, sure. If they’re asked at the _same_ time, in my experience they get angry and/or defensive and, rather than answer, accuse you of playing gotcha games. I.e. there’s little point in showing them their contradictions. It’s not a matter of thought so much as faith. And by pointing things out, you aren’t engaging in some kind of high minded debate but questioning their faith. And historically, very few people have ever reacted well to having the tenets of their faith questioned. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2025, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/983 "2025-01-18T21:24:08Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > If they’re asked at the _same_ time, in my experience they get angry and/or defensive and, rather than answer, accuse you of playing gotcha games. > > I.e. there’s little point in showing them their contradictions. It’s not a matter of thought so much as faith. And by pointing things out, you aren’t engaging in some kind of high minded debate but questioning their faith. And historically, very few people have ever reacted well to having the tenets of their faith questioned. But my whole point is: it’s _not_ a contradiction — and so it’s _not_ a gotcha game — if they in fact happen to believe that some Democrats are stupid and incompetent, and that some Democrats are capable of elaborate plans and conspiracies. There’s likewise no contradiction or gotcha or whatever if you ask, hey, do you believe that some Senators are male, and some are female? Do you believe that some actors have won the Oscar, and that some _haven’t?_ That some people are teens, but — and this is the tricky part, stay with me here — some _aren’t?_ If they can blandly offer up two “yes” replies to those sorts of questions — yes, even if they get asked ‘em at the same time — then it seems to me that the whole conversation could go swimmingly. You say that, in your experience, such folks get angry and defensive rather than answer, but I can assure you: _I’m going to run the experiment the very next time I meet with my Republican-voting in-laws._ I’m going to ask them: “hey, do you believe that some Democrats are stupid and incompetent, and that some Democrats are capable of elaborate plans and conspiracies?” My guess is that they’ll grin and treat it like the softball question I intend it to be, but I promise to let you know if they surprise the heck out of me. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2025, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/984 "2025-01-18T22:28:45Z")
Nah, there are a not inconsiderable number of people who believe the SAME people are both incompetent but also simultaneously nefarious schemers. The Biden “crime family” thing got brought up earlier. That’s just one example. Joe Biden is somehow too incompetent to serve as President but also runs a nefarious crime family. And showing them that example serves no purpose - they don’t see the contradiction in their own thinking. It’s just a matter of dogmatic faith at this point, and they’ll respond like so many have responded (here on this board and elsewhere) to having it pointed out. Not with reasoned discussion but emotional outbursts and counterattacks. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2025, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/985 "2025-01-18T22:31:37Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Nah, there are a not inconsiderable number of people who believe the SAME people are both incompetent but also simultaneously nefarious schemers. > > The Biden “crime family” thing got brought up earlier. That’s just one example. Joe Biden is somehow too incompetent to serve as President but also runs a nefarious crime family. Yes, this. @The_Other_Waldo_Pepper , might you ask your in-laws whether Joe Biden is simultaneously senile and out-of-it, and ALSO the cunning head of a crime family that never leaves a shred of evidence…? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2025, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/986 "2025-01-18T22:36:21Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > @The_Other_Waldo_Pepper , might you ask your in-laws whether Joe Biden is simultaneously senile and out-of-it, and ALSO the cunning head of a crime family that never leaves a shred of evidence…? I could, but I’ve only ever heard them say stuff about him being senile and out-of-it; I’ve never heard them say he’s the cunning head of a crime family. So if I ask them that, they have the option of replying that, no, he’s just senile and out-of-it — and I wouldn’t then have the option of calling them out on an inconsistency, because, well, AFAIK, there _isn’t_ one. But, again, I might have that wrong, so I’ll give it a shot and find out. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2025, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/987 "2025-01-18T22:36:55Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Broomstick refers to this person as “my college-educated Trumpist friend”. Given that, I’d merely recommend that Broomstick ask them: _hey, do you believe some Democrats are stupid and incompetent?_ Also: _do you believe some Democrats are capable of elaborate plans and conspiracies?_ > > Do you believe they’re capable of giving two “yes” answers? Or would that be too, uh, cute? Yeah, I’ve done that, in particular with specific Democrats. It very much is doublethink going on. Makes me concerned that all those concussions playing football are catching up with him (something that worries him, too, actually). He’s an intelligent guy… but completely gullible in certain areas. He’s not rational about political parties. > [@dasmoocher](#): > > A good example of this is that Joe Biden is senile, incompetent, stupid, and even a drug abuser yet at the same time he’s the head of the “Biden Crime Family” and must be so cunning, discreet, and masterful that there’s not a real, tangible shred of evidence of its existence. ^ Yeah, like that. > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > But my whole point is: it’s _not_ a contradiction — and so it’s _not_ a gotcha game — if they in fact happen to believe that some Democrats are stupid and incompetent, and that some Democrats are capable of elaborate plans and conspiracies. No, it’s not two separate groups of Democrats - it’s believing both things about the exact same set of people ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2025, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/988 "2025-01-18T22:39:48Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > so I’ll give it a shot and find out. I’m sure none of us want you to get into family trouble, but: it’s certainly of interest to many of us (I feel safe in saying). It may be fair to note that we humans are prone to this sort of thing; Orwell didn’t invent the term “doublethink” completely out of whole cloth, after all. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2025, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/989 "2025-01-19T00:04:41Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > And showing them that example serves no purpose - they don’t see the contradiction in their own thinking. It’s just a matter of dogmatic faith at this point, and they’ll respond like so many have responded (here on this board and elsewhere) to having it pointed out. Not with reasoned discussion but emotional outbursts and counterattacks. Yes, it’s faith based politics. Denying the facts or the internal contradictions of their position is not only something they do easily, it’s something they consider virtuous. _Good_ people demonstrate faith, therefore holding to their dogma in the face of disproof is a sign of moral righteousness; while admitting it’s wrong would be a denial of faith and therefore evil and sinful. The Right simply _doesn’t value_ facts or logic. Just hatred and loyalty to dogma. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2025, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/990 "2025-01-19T00:36:06Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > I’m sending vibes. Not only does it do nothing, but mentioning it actively pisses off the White Christian Nationalists that make up Trump’s base. Heh. Back when my mom and I went on a road trip last year, one of her extremely religious cousins texted her that she would be PRAYING for us as we drove on I-95. Mom texted a reply to thank her for the good thoughts, and to share her opinion on the part of the drive she dreaded the most (not I-95, surprisingly). Religious cousin promptly texted Mom back to tell her they were NOT good thoughts, but PRAYERS! and that I-95 is far too dangerous to drive on, and that she doesn’t drive on it anymore, and can barely stand to be in a car on I-95… Needless to say, Mom wasn’t surprised at all when we didn’t get a Christmas card from the religious cousin. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2025, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/991 "2025-01-19T03:08:42Z")
Farmers are getting nervous, now that RFKjr announced he wants to ban high fructose corn syrup and seed oils, both billion dollar crops in Trump Country. > **[RFK Jr’s vow to ban syrup sows concern among corn farmers in Trump heartland](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/18/rfk-jr-corn-syrup-ban-trump)** > > Loss of high fructose corn syrup would be a major blow for producers if Trump’s health pick is true to his word ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2025, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/992 "2025-01-19T05:09:47Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Farmers are getting nervous I don’t understand why the farmers are upset. This is what they voted for. Shouldn’t they be happy? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2025, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/993 "2025-01-19T05:34:13Z")
My large-chain grocery store was out of eggs last time I went. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2025, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/994 "2025-01-19T05:52:49Z")
Like Notre Dame! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2025, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/995 "2025-01-19T07:44:30Z")
For a moment I thought “Why would Notre Dame have eggs?” ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2025, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/996 "2025-01-19T07:54:39Z")
Sure, but they never thought that the leopards would eat _their_ face. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2025, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/997 "2025-01-19T08:13:19Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > For a moment I thought “Why would Notre Dame have eggs?” Especially as Notre Dame has rabbits, not chickens. You know, in the hutch back there. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2025, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/998 "2025-01-19T08:13:34Z")
Leopards don’t like eggs. Possibly. And Spoons doesn’t like eggs. So, basic logic suggests…. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2025, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/999 "2025-01-19T08:23:28Z")
Ha! Well concluded, good Doctor! ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2025, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1000 "2025-01-19T09:00:34Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Especially as Notre Dame has rabbits, not chickens. You know, in the hutch back there. I wanted to play football for Notre Dame, but for some reason, there was no position on the team named the hunchback. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=49) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=51)