# Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 12, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166 "2024-11-12T19:54:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 56
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1101 "2025-01-23T17:45:49Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > Won’t take many raids like this for farm workers and probably other illegals to start staying away in droves. A little history lesson from 2011: > **[Alabama immigration: crops rot as workers vanish to avoid crackdown](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/14/alabama-immigration-law-workers)** > > The day before harsh new laws came into effect, Brian Cash had 65 Hispanic men picking tomatoes. Now he has none > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Brown people, not “illegals”. Every time there’s a crackdown somewhere you get entire families leaving, immigrant or not because _it’s not about immigration._ It’s race war. As I recall from 2011, _legal_ farm workers were moving away because they feared being rounded up and illegally deported. > [@mozchron](#): > > I was told that there was no plan in the works, that I was overreacting… I saw a meme the other day that said something to the effect of ‘You’re overreacting’ is something MAGAs say when you point to evidence. I wish I could find it, or remember the quote. ---
**Author:** ![colinfred](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colinfred/32/21338_2.png) [@colinfred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colinfred)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1102 "2025-01-23T17:59:38Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Looks like what happens in some apps when you type nothing but all caps, it switches to that format. VA doesn’t get turned to Va, he actually typed it like that. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1103 "2025-01-23T18:05:14Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > As I recall from 2011, _legal_ farm workers were moving away because they feared being rounded up and illegally deported. And their families; kids, grandparents, the works. It’s not just deportation they fear, it’s police harassment and violence in general. Because again, this _isn’t_ about immigration, it’s about race war. The people enforcing this are going to be looking for brown people to hurt, and they aren’t going to _care_ about the immigration status of their victims. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1104 "2025-01-23T19:00:07Z")
How about Mike Pompeo losing his secret service protection, despite real threats from Iran? Biden kept those services in place and Trump just pulled them, for reasons I don’t understand. I think Pompeo’s tongue was still firmly attached? Bolton, too, but he has been a critic of Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1105 "2025-01-23T22:00:07Z")
> [@Toxgoddess](#): > > The point seems to be to just dismantle the entire government, even the boring and non-controversial parts. Yes, that actually is the point to a large degree. For everyone’s eludication and reference here is a link to [Project 2025](https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf). Rather than read all 900+ pages straight through I recommend tackling it either by chapter(s) of interest or use of a keyword search on a tropic. This is being put into action. > [@Toxgoddess](#): > > Even the MAGAs didn’t vote for that. Yes, yes they actually DID VOTE FOR THAT. Don’t let them off the hook. They were told, repeatedly, what was going to happen. The Project 2025 document goes into detail about how it would be done. The were told exactly what was intended. They have no right to be surprised that it is happening now. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1106 "2025-01-23T23:49:56Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > The Project 2025 document goes into detail about how it would be done. The were told exactly what was intended. Yeah, but would or did the MAGA mass base voters bother to read that? Or comprehend what it entailed in their lives? As I mentioned in another thread during the campaign, many of the MAGA mass base bought into a fantasy that the things that are beneficial to them about life in America were just some sort of default “rest” state of the polity that you just need the career politician/bureaucrat class to get out of the way of and that _of course_ will only make it all better. That what the government actually _does_ is inconvenience you from making a buck, and hand over your taxes to _Those Undeserving Others_. They did vote for this. But held to a faith-based conviction that it would harm others, not them. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1107 "2025-01-24T00:45:27Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Yeah, but would or did the MAGA mass base voters bother to read that? Sux to be them if they did not. > [@JRDelirious](#): > > Or comprehend what it entailed in their lives? See above. [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EliYGdWXUAAr-RH.jpg) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EliYGdWXUAAr-RH.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![SunUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1108 "2025-01-24T02:40:12Z")
> **[Prysmian abandons plans for offshore wind cable factory in Somerset](https://www.wbur.org/news/2025/01/22/prysmian-somerset-offshore-wind-cable-factory-canceled)** > > The proposed offshore wind cable factory would have created between 200 and 350 manufacturing jobs at the site of an old coal fired power plant in Somerset’s Brayton Point neighborhood. Italian company which manufactures cables for moving power from offshore wind turbines onshore decides market conditions in the U.S. won’t support a planned industrial plant, ends plans to open facility at an old power plant, costing the town $9 million in tax revenue and about 300 jobs. And how did Somerset, MA vote in the last presidential election? > **[2024 Mass. election map: See how your town or city votes in key races](https://www.wbur.org/news/2024/11/05/massachusetts-2024-president-senate-ballot-question-results)** > > As votes are counted in Massachusetts, check out this map to see how your municipality voted in the presidential race, the state's U.S. Senate race and its five ballot questions. Scroll down a little ways to see Trump 51.3%, Harris 47.3%. (Hey, at least Stockbridge is still keeping the faith!) ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1109 "2025-01-24T12:44:38Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Yeah, but would or did the MAGA mass base voters bother to read that? Or comprehend what it entailed in their lives? I’m done with willful ignorance being an excuse. It’s not like this information was hidden under a rock. It was discussed in the media, both left and right. Trump spouted a number of its talking points in his speeches and rallies. The base voted for hate and for dismantling the government and we’re all going to pay the price. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1110 "2025-01-24T12:57:28Z")
> [@SunUp](#): > > Scroll down a little ways to see Trump 51.3%, Harris 47.3%. > > (Hey, at least Stockbridge is still keeping the faith!) Alas! The town I live in is an island of red surrounded by a sea of blue. Maybe, despite my protests about Jonathan Harr describing it in his book _A Civil Action_ as “a grubby little blue-collar town,” that’s what it really is. Despite its recent infestation by McMansions. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1111 "2025-01-24T13:15:17Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > It’s not like this information was hidden under a rock. It was discussed in the media, both left and right. Trump spouted a number of its talking points in his speeches and rallies. And he himself even referenced P2025 directly, at least to the extent to deny he was on-board with it. So even people who only listen to Trump have no excuse not to have heard about it. When your preferred candidate gives a speech in which he vehemently denies being a puppy-kicker, it’s probably a good idea to google, “Did Candidate kick a puppy?” at least once. There’s an old rule, “Not responsible for advice not taken.” If I keep telling someone, “Don’t lean on that hot stove, you’ll burn yourself,” when they finally lean on the stove, the burns are their own damn fault for not listening. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1112 "2025-01-24T14:16:56Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I’m done with willful ignorance being an excuse. > > It’s not like this information was hidden under a rock. It was discussed in the media, both left and right. Trump spouted a number of its talking points in his speeches and rallies. The base voted for hate and for dismantling the government and we’re all going to pay the price. Just to add onto this, there is a doctrine in common law that people are presumed to have intended the natural and probable consequences of their actions. At this point, there are no _innocent_ Trump voters. The presumption has to be that they knew damn well what they were doing. If any individual Trump voter wants to try and plead ignorance—which would imply at least some present awareness of the wrong of their past actions—then they may do so, but we do not owe a single one of them the benefit of a doubt at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1113 "2025-01-24T14:24:12Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Yes, yes they actually DID VOTE FOR THAT. Don’t let them off the hook. They were told, repeatedly, what was going to happen. The Project 2025 document goes into detail about how it would be done. The were told exactly what was intended. They have no right to be surprised that it is happening now. As Trump repeatedly told his followers, “You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in.” At best, these folks were willfully ignorant. At best. In truth, many of them were perfectly fine with Trump and the MAGA maniacs hurting other people, and are only upset because they’re being hoisted by their own petard. So you’re right, don’t let them off the hook. Trump told you what he was going to do. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1114 "2025-01-24T14:28:57Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > which would imply at least some present awareness of the wrong of their past actions Which they will not have. They will remain convinced that it was _right_ to vote that way but that _they_ need to be protected from consequences affecting _them_. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1115 "2025-01-24T14:35:58Z")
Anyway, I got some leapord-eating-faces vibes from, of all places, a meeting of certain deported individuals (some of whom had been allowed to temporarily return to the US under a Biden initiative) and their advocates. Not that they could vote in the last election, but one of them wanted to know why the various advocates who had been working to help them come back to the US were suddenly all doom and gloom about the prospect of getting anything done for them under Trump. One of them had this idea that it’s because we’re unwilling to work with Trump, and if only we’d overcome our prejudices and forget about whatever past disagreements we might have had with Trump and his policies and just ask nicely, he would surely reach across the aisle to pardon them and give them a path to Citizenship because he’d understand that they deserve it. Tragic. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1116 "2025-01-24T14:53:13Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > . One of them had this idea that it’s because we’re unwilling to work with Trump, and if only we’d overcome our prejudices and forget about whatever past disagreements we might have had with Trump and his policies and just ask nicely, he would surely reach across the aisle to pardon them and give them a path to Citizenship because he’d understand that they deserve it. > > Tragic. Yeah. Painful. Then again what other hope they have to hold to, And that’s not much different from how many in the political/business class looked at it? Never mind anything he said or did to us before, he’s the frontrunner/nominee/President NOW, nothing we can do about that, let’s try to see how we can stay on his good side. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1117 "2025-01-24T15:18:25Z")
I was talking to a trump voter the other day. Most probably actually an “Anybody (R)” voter. Educated, affluent, but not a serious student of politics or world affairs. Who was flabbergasted when I told them that trump intends to withdraw support for Ukraine, thereby forcing Ukraine to capitulate to Putin. They had never heard of any such intent. Never. The idea that any R was in effect a Russian stooge was simply unthinkable; R’s are patriots, not stooges. Always. No matter what and no matter who. Pitiful if it wasn’t so damned commonplace. ---
**Author:** ![FluffyBob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecb155/32.png) [@FluffyBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FluffyBob)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1118 "2025-01-24T15:29:33Z")
This is well put. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1119 "2025-01-24T15:31:51Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > The idea that any R was in effect a Russian stooge was simply unthinkable; R’s are patriots, not stooges. Always. No matter what and no matter who. It may not be that clear (Russian stooge). It might just be that Trump acts on any random thought that goes through his head. He might look at the cereals in the White House pantry and the next day shredded wheat is banned. ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1120 "2025-01-24T15:41:27Z")
I’m dying to ask my mom if she’s watching the news (and not Fox News). I want to send her articles to read as this whole clusterfuck unfolds. I want her to pay attention and know what’s going on. But she’s not going to do that on her own, and if I do it I’d be attacking her. I just hope she _notices_ everything’s turned to shit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=55) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=57)