# Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 12, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166 "2024-11-12T19:54:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/101 "2024-11-13T23:43:45Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > What would happen if Trump declared that the ACLU was a terrorist organization and he was imposing martial law? I think it’s quite likely that the ACLU (and Planned Parenthood and Democracy Docket and the NAACP and many other organizations) WILL be declared to be terrorist organizations. But I think the Trumpists will think it necessary to have an overwhelming Event, likely involving a false-flag attack by a previously-established enemy such as Iran, as a pretext for declaring the domestic entities mentioned as terrorists. Americans already know that Iran has attempted to kill Trump. So make up an attack, complete with bombings and such, to start the process of declaring martial law. I’d bet that this is the plan. > [@LSLGuy](#): > > To the degree some officer has spent 8-12 years drinking that firehose of Kool-aid they may well most sincerely believe that defending trump & MAGAtism _is_ defending the Constit Yes. There will be a lot of this. (And it will be _good for their careers_, so many will decide that this is the right position to take.) > [@Horatius](#): > > “How many divisions does the Constitution command?” There you go. > [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I don’t think there’s a chance in hell that Trump’s election will be anything but horrible for the people of Gaza. I agree. I would guess that a majority of those who voted for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party care not a whit. > [@Smapti](#): > > Except that Trump literally already tried that He declared a National Emergency? I’m seeing some 2020 Trump declarations relating to China and to COVID and to the International Criminal Court—but nothing establishing martial law. Can you provide support for what you’re claiming, here? > **[List of national emergencies in the United States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_emergencies_in_the_United_States)** > > A national emergency is a situation in which a government is empowered to perform actions not normally permitted. The 1976 National Emergencies Act implemented various legal requirements regarding emergencies declared by the President of the United States. > As of March 2024, 82 emergencies have been declared; 40 have expired and another 42 are currently in effect, each having been renewed annually by the president. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/102 "2024-11-13T23:48:07Z")
_very_ small comfort. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/103 "2024-11-13T23:55:01Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > I think it’s quite likely that the ACLU (and Planned Parenthood and Democracy Docket and the NAACP and many other organizations) WILL be declared to be terrorist organizations. Not unless they rewrite federal law they won’t - domestic organizations cannot be declared to be terrorist organizations. > [@Sherrerd](#): > > He declared a National Emergency? He suggested not having an election. Which isn’t a power the president has, “national emergency” or no. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/104 "2024-11-14T00:27:38Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Not unless they rewrite federal law they won’t - domestic organizations cannot be declared to be terrorist organizations. They’ll have both the power to rewrite the law if they want, and the power to just ignore it if they don’t care to make the effort. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/105 "2024-11-14T00:31:20Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > They’ll have both the power to rewrite the law if they want Except that they won’t have that power, because the Senate has already elected a Majority Leader who has absolutely no intention of doing away with the filibuster. > **[Republicans promise to protect the Senate filibuster, even if it hinders...](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna179893)** > > Many Republican senators, including incoming Majority Leader John Thune, R-S.D., say they will preserve the 60-vote threshold to pass most legislation while they're in power. There will be no significant legislation coming out of this Congress unless it has bipartisan support. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/106 "2024-11-14T00:33:47Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > But I think the Trumpists will think it necessary to have an overwhelming Event, likely involving a false-flag attack by a previously-established enemy such as Iran, as a pretext for declaring the domestic entities mentioned as terrorists. Americans already know that Iran has attempted to kill Trump. So make up an attack, complete with bombings and such, to start the process of declaring martial law. I’d bet that this is the plan. I tend to differ. I’ve expressed my opinion before that it’s a mistake to lump the Trump crowd and the Republicans into a single entity. They have two different agendas. Trump doesn’t care what happens to the country or the world after he’s gone. So he’d have no problem setting the world on fire. But the Republicans are in it for the long term. The current crowd running the Republican party have been around for forty years now. And they plan on still being around forty years or more after Trump’s gone. They’re willing to use Trump as a diversion while they work on their own agenda. And unlike Trump, they know the value of keeping things quiet. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/107 "2024-11-14T00:51:02Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Not if there’s a National Emergency. In that situation, regretfully, elections would have to be cancelled What national emergency is going to require that? Even wars haven’t stopped US elections. What are you imaging might take place? ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/108 "2024-11-14T01:03:11Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Meanwhile Donald will be raking in…something. (I’m convinced that he likes his insane tariffs plan because someone told him about a back-door way he could get a percentage of every tariff funneled into his own Swiss bank account.) Presidents have relatively extensive discretionary powers to raise tariffs, subject to lawsuits that ensue challenging ostensible national security justifications. Most imports are _inputs_ into the production process, not consumer goods. So companies will complain. And Trump will grant exceptions. If he feels like it. Trump _loves_ arbitrary power psychologically, corruptly, and politically. Corporate America has been a surprisingly flaccid protector of democracy given its massive benefits to them, but this policy will bring to heel those who lack sufficient enthusiasm for Dear Leader. Trump attempted to direct IRS audits at his enemies with mixed success. This potentially arbitrary and corrupt aspect of tariff policy hasn’t been discussed enough, though it was known before the election. ETA: Border emergency in major immigration states with insufficiently cooperative local law enforcement, such as California and New York, would require the temporary suspension of voting in early November. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/109 "2024-11-14T01:04:37Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > What national emergency is going to require that? Evil Satanic Democrats Deep State Operatives trying to overthrow the holy Trump administration via subverting elections with their horde of cat-eating illegal immigrant voters. They’d have no problem coming up with an “emergency”, it’s not like they’d care if it was stupid and implausible. I have my doubts they’d bother, but they could _do_ it easily enough. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/110 "2024-11-14T01:11:40Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > They’d have no problem coming up with an “emergency”, You can scream “emergency” until the cows come home but it still doesn’t nullify the Constitution or stop states from holding elections. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/111 "2024-11-14T01:13:36Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > You can scream “emergency” until the cows come home but it still doesn’t nullify the Constitution or stop states from holding elections. The Constitution is dead when the people supposed to enforce it are the ones who oppose it. And soldiers with orders to shut down elections make the opinion of the states moot. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/112 "2024-11-14T01:17:13Z")
I swear you’re acting like you’re gonna be disappointed if Trump doesn’t become a dictator and send you to a death camp. ---
**Author:** ![bobsmom101](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobsmom101/32/2867_2.png) [@bobsmom101](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobsmom101)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/113 "2024-11-14T01:20:33Z")
Trump’s usefulness to those really running the show (Federalists, Heritage Soc, Proj 2025 etc) ended with this election. They know he’s an idiot, he will be 83 years old, if he lasts that long, and they don’t need him to continue with their plans to dismantle what’s left of the US to ensure their continued wealth and power. I am convinced that’s why Vance is VP, ready to step up when needed. ETA: Sorry, I see that @Little_Nemo has expressed a similar opinion above that I should have acknowledged. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/114 "2024-11-14T01:23:46Z")
> [@bobsmom101](#): > > Trump’s usefulness to those really running the show (Federalists, Heritage Soc, Proj 2025 etc) ended with this election. Except for the fact that the Republican party has turned into his personality cult, and none of them has shown any ability to divert any of that to themselves. He’s the glue that holds it together. When he dies they’ll still control the government but the party itself will probably be in chaos. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/115 "2024-11-14T01:27:11Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Except for the fact that the Republican party has turned into his personality cult, and none of them has shown any ability to divert any of that to themselves. Dude, they’re not even changing the filibuster for him. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/116 "2024-11-14T01:53:47Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > they’re not even changing the filibuster for him. So Thune says now. McConnell said lots of things that didn’t matter jack shit when he changed his mind. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/117 "2024-11-14T01:54:51Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > McConnell said lots of things that didn’t matter jack shit when he changed his mind. But one thing he didn’t change his mind on was the filibuster. Read the article I linked above - there doesn’t seem to be ANY support among the Republicans for it, because they know they’ll be the minority again one day. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/118 "2024-11-14T02:11:24Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Except for the fact that the Republican party has turned into his personality cult, and none of them has shown any ability to divert any of that to themselves. He’s the glue that holds it together. When he dies they’ll still control the government but the party itself will probably be in chaos. As I’ve said, I strongly disagree. The Republican party is using Trump and the magas, not the other way around. And one of the biggest uses they’re getting out of him is keeping everyone’s focus on what Trump and the magas are doing and away from what the rest of the Republicans are doing. And the quiet work those Republicans are doing is a lot more dangerous than anything Trump is capable of. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/119 "2024-11-14T02:20:00Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Except for the fact that the Republican party has turned into his personality cult, and none of them has shown any ability to divert any of that to themselves. He’s the glue that holds it together. When he dies they’ll still control the government but the party itself will probably be in chaos. Even with that glue, it’s been chaos. The Republicans have been unable to govern effectively with Trump at the helm. I expect we’ll see continued chaos for the next four years with very little in the way of effective governing and a lot of damage to various sectors of the country. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/120 "2024-11-14T02:24:51Z")
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