# Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 12, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166 "2024-11-12T19:54:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 74
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1461 "2025-02-12T04:41:19Z")
What percentage of Trump voters are reliant on the overseas tourist industry? I guess not a huge percentage. But anyway… My (Australian) FB feed had a post by United Airlines extolling the virtues of a US vacation. There were two positive comments. Every other comment as far down as I bothered scrolling (100+ posts) was a variation on “not for the next four years” or far more negative than that. I expected to see a bit of blowback in the comments but not to the extent and consistency on display. I imagine that Australians are a near-insignificant percentage of the US’s foreign tourist market, but if the rest of the world feels similarly (and I suspect they do), the impact on that market is going to be signficant. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1462 "2025-02-12T04:52:00Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > Well, Kentucky is having his face eaten. I wonder who Kentucky voted for. The problem here is that Gov. Andy Beshear is who the MAGAts will blame for this rather than their Orange God. ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanubv.2/32/3260_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUBv.2)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1463 "2025-02-12T04:56:15Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > I imagine that Australians are a near-insignificant percentage of the US’s foreign tourist market, but if the rest of the world feels similarly (and I suspect they do), the impact on that market is going to be signficant. Are there any countries that don’t hate US? I’ll be beyond surprised if the tourist market doesn’t take a gigantic hit. Hell, Floriduh’s only reason for existing is tourism. That, and snow birds from Canada. Too bad, so sad. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1464 "2025-02-12T05:05:05Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > I imagine that Australians are a near-insignificant percentage of the US’s foreign tourist market, but if the rest of the world feels similarly (and I suspect they do), the impact on that market is going to be signficant. I’m pretty sure that Canadians make up a significant percentage of the US’s tourist market, but many of my friends have either cancelled their vacations to the US, or are seriously rethinking their plans for later in the year. I guess some tourist destinations in the US are not desperate—yet—but I think they are getting worried. Recently, Disney World put a number of commercials on Canadian TV, touting their “Canadians Only” special. Something like a three-day park pass, and a few nights at one of their resorts for half or two-thirds of the regular price. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1465 "2025-02-12T05:12:53Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](#): > > Are there any countries that don’t hate US? I wouldn’t say “hate” is really the issue. Many of the comments were quite sympathetic and along the idea of “I like the USA [or at least I like many people from the USA] but I’m not travelling to the US while the crazyguy is in charge” or “I have no desire to have a ringside seat for the USA’s re-run of 1930’s Germany” or similar. ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanubv.2/32/3260_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUBv.2)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1466 "2025-02-12T05:33:25Z")
We’ll miss them, and hell yeah, there should be as big of a boycott as is manageable. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1467 "2025-02-12T06:10:25Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > … [Some Canadians] are seriously rethinking their plans for later in the year. I’m one of those, by the way, and should have added that earlier. I was thinking of Las Vegas or San Francisco this year, but it might be time for a drive to revisit Vancouver, via AB and BC Highway 3. Or—dare I disturb the universe?—drive to Halifax, catching up with friends in Regina, Thunder Bay, Toronto, and Halifax along the way. No Customs checkpoints, no different currency than I typically use, and gas prices that are not inflated due to tariffs. Buying Canadian all the way. Hmmm … ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1468 "2025-02-12T06:44:55Z")
Speaking as someone who flies back and forth to the US regularly, my current concern is the status of airline safety. I need some reassurance that ATC is still properly functional before I book my next flight. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1469 "2025-02-12T07:25:22Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](#): > > > [@Princhester](#): > > > > I imagine that Australians are a near-insignificant percentage of the US’s foreign tourist market, but if the rest of the world feels similarly (and I suspect they do), the impact on that market is going to be signficant. > > Are there any countries that don’t hate US? I’ll be beyond surprised if the tourist market doesn’t take a gigantic hit. Hell, Floriduh’s only reason for existing is tourism. That, and snow birds from Canada. Too bad, so sad. It seems like Israel is the one traditional U.S. ally that Trump hasn’t crapped on yet. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1470 "2025-02-12T07:48:16Z")
This is great. Yesterday Hegseth announced that Fort Liberty was once again Fort Bragg. Yay for the white nationalists. Only they didn’t change it back to the name of the Confederate general Bragg, they named it after a WW2 hero who just happened to also be named Bragg. MAGA is not going to be happy to hear that. Did they really think no one would notice? > [Fort Bragg gets its old name, new namesake: WWII vet Roland Bragg : NPR](https://www.npr.org/2025/02/11/nx-s1-5293246/hegseth-fort-bragg-liberty-name) ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1471 "2025-02-12T08:03:42Z")
Pete re-named a fort after an Antifa soldier that murdered White people! ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1472 "2025-02-12T08:36:18Z")
Trump wants to return American auto manufacturing to Michigan. But what cars are actually manufactured in the US? (I’m ignoring my Chevy Tahoe, which was manufactured in Arlington, Texas—in the US, but not in Michigan, so I guess the Arlington GM plant loses out under Trump’s plans to Make Michigan Great Again). Anyway, here are cars that are **only** manufactured in Canada, and shipped to the US: Dodge Charger Dodge Challenger Dodge Caravan Chrysler 300 Chrysler Pacifica Chrysler Grand Caravan Chevrolet Equinox Lincoln Nautilus Ford Edge Ford GT Toyota RAV4 Lexus RX Honda Civic Sedan Honda Civic Coupe Honda CR-V Source: > **[15 Cars Made in Canada: All You Need to Know | Surex](https://www.surex.com/blog/what-cars-are-made-in-canada)** > > Few things feel better than buying a product that was crafted, produced or manufactured in Canada. Unfortunately, when it comes to vehicles, this is Good luck getting that American-made Chevy Equinox or Dodge Caravan, soccer mom. Or that American-made Dodge Charger, you mid-life crisis guy. Or that Honda CR-V. No, it’s not made in Japan. It’s made right here in Canada, and you’re gonna have to pay for it. At 25% more than MSRP now! And all of the above are made no where elsewhere in North America. And there’s no time to retool Michigan factories to produce these models, before Ford, GM, and Chrysler (or whatever name Chrysler is going under this week) go broke. Or beg Trump for a break. Or something. My 2012 Chevy Tahoe was assembled in the GM plant in Arlington, Texas. How would those Arlington, Texas GM workers like it if their jobs were transferred to Detroit, just so Trump can proclaim that auto manufacturing is back in Michigan? I bet not much. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1473 "2025-02-12T09:02:56Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > This is great. Yesterday Hegseth announced that Fort Liberty was once again Fort Bragg. Yay for the white nationalists. Only they didn’t change it back to the name of the Confederate general Bragg, they named it after a WW2 hero who just happened to also be named Bragg. The county in which Seattle is located did something similar about 20 years ago. It used to be called King County, after former Alabama senator William King, who had been vice president when the county was incepted. Since he was a notoriously pro-slavery Southern senator who never actually set foot in the US during his time as veep (he was sworn in while staying in Cuba and died there 45 days later) it was decided that he was no longer an appropriate namesake, and so the decision was made to rename King County to King County, now named after Martin Luther King Jr. > **[King County, Washington](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_County,_Washington#Name)** > > King County is a county located in the U.S. state of Washington. The population was 2,269,675 in the 2020 census, making it the most populous county in Washington, and the 12th-most populous in the United States. The county seat is Seattle, also the state's most populous city. > Originally named after US representative, senator, and then vice president-elect William R. King in 1852, the county government amended its designation in 1986 to honor Martin Luther King Jr., a prominent activist and le... ---
**Author:** ![veryfrank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/87869e/32.png) [@veryfrank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/veryfrank)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1474 "2025-02-12T15:28:01Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > I’m pretty sure that Canadians make up a significant percentage of the US’s tourist market, but many of my friends have either cancelled their vacations to the US, or are seriously rethinking their plans for later in the year. I typically cross the border for two comicons a year, Detroit and Columbus. I haven’t decided if I will this year. Sadly, I can’t really do any long-distance travel this year for cost reasons, but I guess I’ll keep an eye on Europe for 2026. But yeah, not exactly looking to spend any money south of the 49th for a while. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1475 "2025-02-12T15:42:48Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > Many of the comments were quite sympathetic and along the idea of “I like the USA [or at least I like many people from the USA] but I’m not travelling to the US while the crazyguy is in charge” As a Canadian, that’s pretty much my position. I was in the US for his first inauguration, a Vegas trip I had scheduled and paid for when we all thought Clinton was going to win. The vibe on that trip was so weird, I decided I didn’t want to travel to the US again until shit had calmed down. Well, we all remember how well that worked out! Finally, after four years of Trump, and the last years of the pandemic, I did start travelling again, but now I’m done again. It’s even worse than the last time around. And this sucks, because probably 90% of the easy vacation destinations from Canada at least touch on the US. My two big vacation things have been Vegas, and cruises. Most of the cruises I can afford go out of and return to Florida, which is not just the US, it’s mainstreet MAGAland. Ugh. So it looks like the next several years will be some mixture of low-cost driving trips around here, while saving up for more expensive trips outside North America. But even there, I’m limited because so many flight options assume a connection in the US. ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1476 "2025-02-12T16:04:38Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > Only they didn’t change it back to the name of the Confederate general Bragg, they named it after a WW2 hero who just happened to also be named Bragg. If we ever elect another Democrat as president, he/she should rename it after Alvin Bragg. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1477 "2025-02-12T16:08:19Z")
Or [Melvin Bragg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melvyn_Bragg). Or [Commander McBragg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commander_McBragg). ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1478 "2025-02-12T16:12:28Z")
Maybe [**Paul Bragg**](https://www.bragg.com/pages/our-story). I feel like RFK, Jr. could get behind that one … not that that’s a _good_ thing, but … ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1479 "2025-02-12T17:51:48Z")
Elon Musk is starting to make threatening noises about Social Security > [@](#): > > [Musk wrote on X on February 11](https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1889198569518719122): "At this point, I am 100% certain that the magnitude of the fraud in federal entitlements (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, Disability, etc) exceeds the combined sum of every private scam you’ve ever heard by FAR. > > It’s not even close." > **[Elon Musk issues major Social Security warning](https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-major-social-security-warning-fraud-billion-week-lost-2029244)** > > The tech magnate said some $1 billion is lost every week due to fraud. > **[You knew it was coming Mush goes after Social Security](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/2/12/2303184/-You-knew-it-was-coming-Mush-goes-after-Social-Security?utm_campaign=trending)** > > Can't believe this has not already been posted www.newsweek.com/… Elon Musk Issues Major Social Security Warning Billionaire Elon Musk has said there is widespread fraud taking place in the payment of "federal entitlements" like Social Security.... ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1480 "2025-02-12T17:57:55Z")
TO BE FAIR, there is fraud in Medicare/Medicaid; there is a lot of… suspicious claims to SSDI. I doubt there is much fraud in regular Social Security (outside of the occasional "Oh, mom died. Let’s hide the body so we can continue getting her benefits). THAT BEING SAID, you know his solution will be very ham-handed, and how many millions of legitimate claims are going to be denied / delayed / prosecuted, causing untold hardship? It sounds good _in theory_, but the reality will be a clusterfuck. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=73) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=75)