# Surprises coming for voters for the Leopards-Eating-Faces Party **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 12, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166 "2024-11-12T19:54:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 93
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2025, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1841 "2025-02-28T16:29:10Z")
They’ve been in floods of tears Because the poor little dears Have been so wronged and only longed To cheat the world, Deplete the world And beat The world to blazes. This is the moment when we ought to sing their praises. Don’t let’s be beastly to the MAGA… ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2025, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1842 "2025-02-28T18:31:33Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > Why aren’t Democrats hammering the lack of tax exemptions for tips and overtime? > [@kenobi\_65](#): > > that item is probably pretty low on the list of things that the Democrats are trying to talk about. That’s the kind of thing the Dems _need_ to hammer. That was a major talking point during the campaign, and would obviously affect a shit-ton of blue collar voters. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2025, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1843 "2025-02-28T18:38:01Z")
I don’t mind the Democrats hammering about tips and overtime as a matter of illustrating Republicans not keeping promises, but these are moronic things to fight for. You should get taxed based on what you earn, what difference should it make if your income was tips or overtime? ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2025, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1844 "2025-02-28T18:38:49Z")
My point exactly. Make the Trump voters see the betrayal. I know we all think none of them can be swayed, but some can. We’re seeing the Muslims for Trump start to publicly acknowledge their error, and the Venezuelan community in FL has done so as well. How many hispanic voters in NV can be swayed? > [@BobLibDem](#): > > I don’t mind the Democrats hammering about tips and overtime as a matter of illustrating Republicans not keeping promises, but these are moronic things to fight for. You should get taxed based on what you earn, what difference should it make if your income was tips or overtime? Of course they are dumb policies, although I will remind you that Harris got on the tip thing. But they can be effective weapons, I think ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2025, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1845 "2025-02-28T18:41:38Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > these are moronic things to fight for Fighting for non-moronic things like abortion rights and voting rights and health care hasn’t done all that much for the Dems, has it? ---
**Author:** ![Zoobi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/13edae/32.png) [@Zoobi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoobi)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2025, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1846 "2025-02-28T19:15:38Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > We’re seeing the Muslims for Trump start to publicly acknowledge their error, and the Venezuelan community in FL has done so as well. Until they change the way they vote, publicly acknowledging their error is worth jack shit. Talk is cheap. I’ve send dozens of sob story news articles about people who voted for Trump and then got their faces bit off and then at the end they say they still wouldn’t have changed the way they voted. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2025, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1847 "2025-02-28T19:47:16Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I don’t mind the Democrats hammering about tips and overtime as a matter of illustrating Republicans not keeping promises, but these are moronic things to fight for. You should get taxed based on what you earn, what difference should it make if your income was tips or overtime? IIRC, the waiver on overtime would’ve been tied to a change in the rules defining overtime, it wouldn’t kick in until after the employee worked 160 hours in a 4 week period. This would save employers a ton of money, as they’d be able to schedule so they hardly ever needed to pay out any overtime. And the employee might save a few bucks if they ever actually worked overtime, but they’d be doing lots of work for straight pay that would’ve previously required overtime pay. And the elimination on taxes on tips would both reduce reporting requirements for employers and allow employers to pay less without reducing take home pay. The employees would lose out in the long run, though…… as the reduction in taxable income would screw them when it came time to collect Social Security. And the “no taxes on Social Security” largely benefits people with substantial supplemental income, either from working or other taxable income sources. If SS is your only income, it’s already _effectively_ tax free. I say _effectively_ because if you have a higher payout, a portion of it is taxable, but once you file taxes the standard deduction would pull it down to a place where you have no tax liability. So these are all disguised giveaways to employers and higher income retirees. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2025, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1848 "2025-02-28T19:55:58Z")
> [@Zoobi](#): > > I’ve send dozens of sob story news articles about people who voted for Trump and then got their faces bit off and then at the end they say they still wouldn’t have changed the way they voted And come 2026/2028 they’ll still be headed for the polls under the Received Teaching from RW media and socials that OMG if the Dems get in we’re going to have Wokemaggedon, what choice do we have left but vote for whoever’s the MAGA guy in the primary and general. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2025, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1849 "2025-02-28T20:01:42Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > So these are all disguised giveaways to employers and higher income retirees. How fucking long is it going to take for some people understand that no conservative proposal has as the core reason for it’s existence helping anyone other that the rich? I mean, they’re going to cut SNAP which everyone should know by now is just and only a program to subsidize ‘big food’. That’s how much they hate the poor. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2025, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1850 "2025-02-28T20:04:44Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Everyone’s death diminishes us. Nobody was diminished by the deaths of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, or the Kims. Nobody will be diminished when a certain other fascist finally dies. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2025, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1851 "2025-02-28T20:07:44Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Nobody was diminished by the deaths of Hitler Blondi was, in a way. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2025, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1852 "2025-02-28T20:30:51Z")
Poor dog. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2025, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1853 "2025-02-28T20:38:57Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Nobody was diminished by the deaths of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, or the Kims. Nobody will be diminished when a certain other fascist finally dies. When Trump dies, I’m sure every federal employee will enjoy the day off they receive. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2025, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1854 "2025-02-28T21:53:44Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > When Trump dies, I’m sure every federal employee will enjoy the day off they receive. It reminds me of an old joke from the '70s. ‘I predict that Yasser Arafat will die on a Jewish holiday!’ ‘How can you be so sure?’ ‘_Any_ day Yasser Arafat dies will be a Jewish holiday!’ I think that’s from [_The Official Irish Joke Book/The Official Jewish Joke Book_](https://www.amazon.com/Official-Jewish-Joke-Irish-Jokebook/dp/0523404123). ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2025, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1855 "2025-02-28T22:06:10Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > And the “no taxes on Social Security” largely benefits people with substantial supplemental income, either from working or other taxable income sources. If SS is your only income, it’s already _effectively_ tax free. > > I say _effectively_ because if you have a higher payout, a portion of it is taxable, but once you file taxes the standard deduction would pull it down to a place where you have no tax liability. Bingo. As a volunteer tax preparer, I can attest to this. This is true of probably more than 85% of the tax returns we prepare which have SS income. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2025, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1856 "2025-02-28T23:02:55Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > And the elimination on taxes on tips would both reduce reporting requirements for employers and allow employers to pay less without reducing take home pay. I believe the concept is more insidious than just that. Corporations will start imposing mandatory gratuities on every fucking thing they can and off-book the revenue, which is not going specifically to a person. You might be able to make a transaction without providing the business with a “tip”, but it will be drawn out and fraught. Eliminating taxes on tips will ultimately end up being another corporate tax break. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2025, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1857 "2025-02-28T23:15:05Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Corporations will start imposing mandatory gratuities on every fucking thing they can and off-book the revenue, which is not going specifically to a person. You mean like what Denver restaurants [want to do](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/denver-wants-to-mandate-tipping/1014933)? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2025, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1858 "2025-02-28T23:26:34Z")
I was thinking more along the line of [this](https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/you-re-being-asked-for-more-and-bigger-tips-how-much-further-can-this-go/ar-AA1wji2z) > Some airport self-checkout kiosks ask for customers to tip when they are just buying a water bottle they’ve grabbed themselves. A Texas hotel issued guests a QR code to leave a tip for the person who checked them in … ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2025, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1859 "2025-03-01T01:11:41Z")
In light of the Zelenskyy meeting today in which Trump abandoned Ukraine, I wonder how the congresswoman from Indiana’s 5th is feeling about acquiescing to Trump on the budget vote yesterday? I mean, it’s not like being a Ukrainian immigrant gives Victoria Sparta any sort of relevant perspective to leverage, especially when she was apparently the final deciding vote. Guess she really thought maybe it wasn’t _her_ face on the menu. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2025, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166/1860 "2025-03-01T01:49:26Z")
As mentioned in a parallel thread, Spartz already voted against giving aid to Ukraine months ago, and explained her “reasoning” in the same breath as saying she had family members who had died and some who were fighting on the front lines. To give a flavor, one part of her reasoning was “I know what a dictatorship is. Putin is not [a dictator]. But Obama and Biden are” I don’t know what to make of her to be honest. Other MAGA faithful are grifters or have obvious mental conditions like sociopathy. I can’t diagnose what she has. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=92) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/surprises-coming-for-voters-for-the-leopards-eating-faces-party/1010166.md?page=94)