# Survival of the Richest **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 18, 2020, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survival-of-the-richest/846592 "2020-01-18T01:06:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![cjackson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@cjackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cjackson)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survival-of-the-richest/846592/1 "2020-01-18T01:06:43Z")
[The wealthy are plotting to leave us behind](https://onezero.medium.com/survival-of-the-richest-9ef6cddd0cc1) So what kind of low life would volunteer to wear a shock collar for Mark Zuckerberg? Seriously, are the rich the evil ones, or is it those who are just following ze orders? I blame the order taking dogs. People that sell their bodies to protect the rich deserve the guillotine just like their masters. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survival-of-the-richest/846592/2 "2020-01-18T03:56:27Z")
> [@cjackson](#): > > . . . I blame the order taking dogs. People that sell their bodies to protect the rich deserve the guillotine just like their masters. Yes, well, the trouble with today’s GOP Senators is that they all know dang well they aren’t suited for any other job. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survival-of-the-richest/846592/3 "2020-01-18T04:02:04Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > Yes, well, the trouble with today’s GOP Senators is that they all know dang well they aren’t suited for any other job. You mean… other than as fertilizer…? ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survival-of-the-richest/846592/4 "2020-01-18T05:28:36Z")
Them as can, do. Them as can’t, teach. And them as can’t teach, teach P. E. And them as can’t even teach P. E., become senators. (And, I suppose, them as can’t even become senators, vote for them as can’t even teach P. E.) ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survival-of-the-richest/846592/5 "2020-01-18T05:47:35Z")
Okay, back to the OP’s topic, sort of… Sounds like he didn’t tell those rich fat cats what they wanted to hear. I wonder if they paid him. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survival-of-the-richest/846592/6 "2020-01-18T06:03:27Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Okay, back to the OP’s topic, sort of… > > Sounds like he didn’t tell those rich fat cats what they wanted to hear. I wonder if they paid him. Hey, you don’t get rich by paying a lot of Negative Nancies. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survival-of-the-richest/846592/7 "2020-01-18T16:51:36Z")
It’s not just the rich. Think about religious end-timers, Preppers, etc. – there is a considerable segment of the population that quite simply has concluded that the Great Global Catastrophe that ends our current civilizational cycle is _inevitable_, and the only thing to do is become either wealthy or armed or God-blessed enough to make it. So there’s a large market for ideas about how to go about that. (FWIW in the long game I’ll bet on the armed ones) ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survival-of-the-richest/846592/8 "2020-01-18T17:04:35Z")
It seems like this is exactly what people here have been wanting, ultra rich that believe that climate change is the worst thing happening in the world right now. If you had Greta Thornberg’s belief and say a billion dollars what would you do? Personally, I’d be building a self sustaining compound where I and the people I care about will be able to weather the storm. It seems like these guys are doing the same thing and have reasonable concerns about how to make it work. A billion dollars isn’t that much and they certainly can’t do anything to prevent climate change with it. I can’t see why the OP would want to kill people who might survive the coming change in the world unless it is to make sure no one survives. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survival-of-the-richest/846592/9 "2020-01-18T17:20:44Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > It seems like this is exactly what people here have been wanting, ultra rich that believe that climate change is the worst thing happening in the world right now. If you had Greta Thornberg’s belief and say a billion dollars what would you do? > > Personally, I’d be building a self sustaining compound where I and the people I care about will be able to weather the storm. It seems like these guys are doing the same thing and have reasonable concerns about how to make it work. A billion dollars isn’t that much and they certainly can’t do anything to prevent climate change with it. I can’t see why the OP would want to kill people who might survive the coming change in the world unless it is to make sure no one survives. If so, the OP doesn’t want to kill \*that \*many more people than you do. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survival-of-the-richest/846592/10 "2020-01-18T17:33:37Z")
> [@cjackson](#): > > [The wealthy are plotting to leave us behind](https://onezero.medium.com/survival-of-the-richest-9ef6cddd0cc1) > > So what kind of low life would volunteer to wear a shock collar for Mark Zuckerberg? Seriously, are the rich the evil ones, or is it those who are just following ze orders? I blame the order taking dogs. People that sell their bodies to protect the rich deserve the guillotine just like their masters. The kind of competent elite bodyguards you would actually hire if you could afford it (retired special forces, etc) I would expect to be professional, good at their jobs, use their brains and hopefully not do anything that would result in war crimes/guillotining. Note, those people don’t work for peanuts and definitely not for shock collars or scraps and a pat on the head like a dog. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survival-of-the-richest/846592/11 "2020-01-18T17:36:27Z")
> [@74westy](#): > > If so, the OP doesn’t want to kill \*that \*many more people than you do. How does holing up some where safe kill people? ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survival-of-the-richest/846592/12 "2020-01-18T18:21:42Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > How does holing up some where safe kill people? What’s the security force with the shock collars for? ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survival-of-the-richest/846592/13 "2020-01-18T18:27:02Z")
Sounds like they want to drop out, _Atlas Shrugged_ style. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survival-of-the-richest/846592/14 "2020-01-18T19:08:32Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survival-of-the-richest/846592/15 "2020-01-18T19:27:26Z")
> [@cjackson](#): > > [The wealthy are plotting to leave us behind](https://onezero.medium.com/survival-of-the-richest-9ef6cddd0cc1) > > So what kind of low life would volunteer to wear a shock collar for Mark Zuckerberg? Seriously, are the rich the evil ones, or is it those who are just following ze orders? I blame the order taking dogs. People that sell their bodies to protect the rich deserve the guillotine just like their masters. People that take orders from the rich are doing something truly shocking: they’re earning a living. Guess what else? We’re all taking orders from the rich. Gonna be an empty planet. Probably for the best. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survival-of-the-richest/846592/16 "2020-01-18T22:56:48Z")
> [@74westy](#): > > What’s the security force with the shock collars for? I’m going to go with defending their stuff from assholes like the OP that want to murder them. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2020, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survival-of-the-richest/846592/17 "2020-01-19T08:37:08Z")
It’s like the rich don’t realize that wealth is a social construct - that the only reason they have money and property is that state says they have money and property, and in the absence of law and government, they’d be no better off than anyone else. It would be funny if it weren’t so sad. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2020, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survival-of-the-richest/846592/18 "2020-01-19T09:55:41Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > It’s like the rich don’t realize that wealth is a social construct - that the only reason they have money and property is that state says they have money and property, and in the absence of law and government, they’d be no better off than anyone else. It would be funny if it weren’t so sad. They realise it only too well. That’s why they are putting so much thought into how to maintain some semblance of wealth and status in the absence of government. But their whole thinking is childish. Do these guys understand nothing about life and people, apart from how to make money? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2020, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survival-of-the-richest/846592/19 "2020-01-19T10:02:19Z")
Apparently not. If they did, they’d realize the the only way to survive during times of crisis is to cooperate with other people, not compete with them. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2020, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survival-of-the-richest/846592/20 "2020-01-19T10:53:25Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Apparently not. If they did, they’d realize the the only way to survive during times of crisis is to cooperate with other people, not compete with them. You are now changing your argument. On your point that “the only reason they have money and property is that state says they have money and property”, it is 100% clear that they do realise this. That was the whole reason for their meeting and discussion. The question of how to survive well without government is a different one, and one where they have come to the wrong conclusion. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survival-of-the-richest/846592.md?page=2)