# Survivor 05/07/2003 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 3, 2003, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-05-07-2003/172865 "2003-05-03T15:59:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-05-07-2003/172865/61 "2003-05-09T15:38:37Z")
Side note. For those not watching Eco Challenge, Ethan’s team had to drop out, but looks like he’s goint to try again next time. Burnett could do an interesting combo series: Eco-Survivor. Start with teams of say, 8 people doing some Eco-challenge type stuff, but timed each day. Lowest total time wins, but they vote off one guy from each team every night with the winners being just 2 guys in the end. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-05-07-2003/172865/62 "2003-05-09T16:20:25Z")
It is frightening beyond measure that this twit is a teacher! > [@](#): > > [Heidi Interveiw on The Early Show](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/08/earlyshow/series/survivor/main552973.shtml) > > A viewer wanted to know what made Heidi think she was such a key player in the game. The viewer said all she saw was Heidi, Jenna and Alex laying around, not willing to help, while the others did all the work and Heidi acted like the prom queen. > > “Oh, ouch,” Heidi said. “Okay. Well, I mean, that’s hard to say. Because I mean there is a lot of – I do understand where you’re coming from. It does appear that way on TV. And you know, they’ve only got 45 minutes to show you what is going on. And there are times where I’m working. In the end, I was very angry. And that was, you know, and my real attitude is not like that at all. But you know, in the end it was kind of like I’m very angry so I’m going to rebel against you guys by not working.” What the hell kind of ethic is that teaching the kids in her charge?! GAH! I _hate_ this woman! > [@](#): > > Yet another viewer was also bothered by some of Heidi’s behavior. “Heidi, you also made several derogatory comments about people that were older than you, not as pretty as you or as skinny as you. As a teacher, I wonder if you plan to continue projecting those views on your students, or did you somehow gain enlightenment in the Amazon?” > > (Heidi is phys-ed teacher at a middle school.) > > “Yes. I do well understand that. No, I mean, nothing of my character on this show represents me as a teacher whatsoever. I played as a hard-core athlete, not as a teacher. And those comments come from other people saying things about myself. It was kind of like they hit me first but they show me hitting back. I mean, Deena’s calling me a pantywaist, Janet and Jeanne and Joanna are all over me. And then that’s what you get. You’re like okay, first time shame on you. Second time shame on me. It was a little hard to go there.” Ok, first of all, she played as a hard core athlete???!! WHO does this woman think she’s kidding?! And then she “excuses” her nasty behaviour by saying “well they did it fiiiiiiirst.” Jesus, she may as well have just come right out and said, “I know you are, but what am I?” Pathetic. Utterly shameful. What a useless bitch. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-05-07-2003/172865/63 "2003-05-09T18:37:23Z")
I wonder if the Jefferson City school board is going to give her the [boot](http://www.newstribune.com/stories/032803/loc_0328030902.asp). ---
**Author:** ![Madawc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@Madawc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Madawc)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-05-07-2003/172865/64 "2003-05-09T19:18:38Z")
you think Heidi would care being booted out of the academia? She proved herself to be quite the bimbo, and as I can see it, she’ll milk this bimbo thing to high heaven. She’ll do Playboy spreads, Girls Gone Wild videos or what have you. This was her way to get her exposure. She’ll take full advantage of it and get nekked. and about that “hardcore” athlete thing. If you are a hardcore athlete, there needs to be some brains too. In any sport or athletic event, it takes physical strength, prowess, skill and technique, AS WELL AS a mental approach that’ll keep you on your goals. If you think basketball is a physical game, gimme a break there is just as much thinking (consciously or even subconsciously) that’s going on. You need to position yourself in the open, memorize plays and a whole lot more. She is just a dumb bimbo who thinks she is a physical threat. The only threat comes from the doubleD chest of hers, they might explode a toxic brew of silicon. She is a sad example of a teacher, how she got her position is very questionable. I can’t wait till Probst calls her out on this bullshit that she’s been feeding us at the reunion show. Get your timers set for a three-hour survivor finale. ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-05-07-2003/172865/65 "2003-05-09T19:39:27Z")
Heidi’s comments at TC were just outrageous. She’s the mastermind of the game? Everyone’s afraid of her? What a self-centered brat. I really loved seeing her get booted. And back at camp… she said something about working her butt off, but then in the same breath said she and Jenna weren’t going to help rebuild the camp, and they never helped build any of the other shelters. I loved seeing her still stuck in the cage, unable to undo any of the knots as everyone went on ahead. Yeah, Heidi, you bring athleticism and intelligence to the game, and yet you can’t untie a couple of knots and get out of a cage. :rolleyes: As for the fire, I don’t think Butch’s piles of wood everywhere helped, but what about that fire shelter that Matt insisted on having? That didn’t seem too safe. Even after the fire, when Matt and Rob came back, there was a shot of the Booby Twins lazing away in the new shelter, with a fire right under the new roof, just about 2 feet away. That really seemed unsafe. They do have flint for building fires this year, since it’s so wet in the Amazon. There was no fire-building competition this year. I guess TPTB decided to give them a break. ---
**Author:** ![skaterboarder87](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@skaterboarder87](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skaterboarder87)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-05-07-2003/172865/66 "2003-05-09T20:09:25Z")
I think the producers set the fire, there were far too many coincidences: 1: The fire convinently occured when the Survivors were off at an immunity challenge. 2: The camera didn’t show how the fire started; it had already progressed some distance before it was shown. 3: Camera crews just happened to be present when the fire occurred. What the hell were they recording while the Survivors were gone? 4: Survivor has pulled other stunts like this before. Remember when all the squid (or some other sea creature) mysteriously washed up on shore while they were sleeping? Yeah, right (though this is still more plausible than the fire scenario). ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-05-07-2003/172865/67 "2003-05-09T20:20:14Z")
skateboarder, what could the producers possibly have gained by setting that fire? There were far too many coincidences that indicate the fire naturally occurred: 1: There were about 50 lbs. of dry palms a few feet above the flames. 2: There was a surplus of wood drying next to the fire. 3: There were two Survivors away from camp at the time, and only 3 around to watch the fire. 4: Survivors have done stupid like this before. Remember when they set up camp in a river bed and their camp washed away? Remember earlier this season when one Survivor used freshly boiled water to do her laundry? Remember when the girls’ camp spent 9 days in the bush without attempting to make shelter for themselves? These aren’t Army Rangers. They’re (mostly) wanna-be actors and models with little to no experience living in a jungle. They’re going to do stupid things at an alarming rate. That’s why we watch. ---
**Author:** ![Ferrous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Ferrous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferrous)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-05-07-2003/172865/68 "2003-05-09T20:27:54Z")
Nope, not buying it. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by skaterboarder87 \* > \*\*I think the producers set the fire, there were far too many coincidences: > > 1: The fire convinently occured when the Survivors were off at an immunity challenge.\*\* Of course. If they’d been around, they wouldn’t have let it spread. This proves nothing. You can’t have a fire spread from an untended fire unless it’s, you know, untended. > [@](#): > > **2: The camera didn’t show how the fire started; it had already progressed some distance before it was shown.** Time constraints. They can’t show the whole thing, just the highlights. > [@](#): > > **3: Camera crews just happened to be present when the fire occurred. What the hell were they recording while the Survivors were gone?** Of course there were camera crews present! There’s more than one crew, you know. They tape _everything_. There’s always a crew at the camp when people are gone, so they can catch things like animals coming in to steal food, boats drifting away, fires, or whatever. Just that usually nothing interesting happens. > [@](#): > > \*\*4: Survivor has pulled other stunts like this before. Remember when all the squid (or some other sea creature) mysteriously washed up on shore while they were sleeping? Yeah, right (though this is still more plausible than the fire scenario). \*\* That does happen. Once when I was at the beach in Georgia, one morning there were hundreds of little jellyfish washed up all up and down the beach. Perfectly natural. ---
**Author:** ![vandal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/858c86/32.png) [@vandal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vandal)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-05-07-2003/172865/69 "2003-05-09T20:30:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Madawc \* > **Well, it’s 3 guys and a whore left.** So, when did Jenna turn into a whore? ---
**Author:** ![Realhoops](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8dc957/32.png) [@Realhoops](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Realhoops)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-05-07-2003/172865/70 "2003-05-09T20:36:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Munch \* > 3: There were two Survivors away from camp at the time, and only 3 around to watch the fire. I agree the fire wasn’t set by the producers, but there were actually _no_ Survivors around to watch the fire, right? I mean, it occurred while they were all gone to the reward challenge, right? Anyway… I’m just curious about how it went out… I wonder if the producers let it burn up their stuff and then put it out or if it also went out naturally. Wonder if they’ll cover that on Sunday night. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-05-07-2003/172865/71 "2003-05-09T20:39:46Z")
Dear God no!!! Not the Zeta jacket!!! **vandal** , Jenna turned into a whore on the very first episode, when she said (paraphrasing) that she had intended to use her boobs as a ticket to the finals. (She was upset that the teams were broken up by gender, interfering with this “plan.”) ---
**Author:** ![skaterboarder87](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@skaterboarder87](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skaterboarder87)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-05-07-2003/172865/72 "2003-05-09T20:42:55Z")
Here’s the deal, listening to an interview with Evan Marriott (of Joe Millionaire fame), he disclosed some very interesting tidbits that occurred during the production of the show. What it boils down to it that it’s really only 50% reality TV while the rest is either fabricated, forced or edited to add spice to what would otherwise be a very lame TV show. Anyone remember Big Brother? Neither do I. I have no reason to suspect that Survivor is any different than Joe Millionaire. ---
**Author:** ![Ferrous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Ferrous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferrous)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-05-07-2003/172865/73 "2003-05-09T20:42:58Z")
Worse, she’s a _cheap_ whore. She got naked on national TV for peanut butter! ---
**Author:** ![Madawc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@Madawc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Madawc)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-05-07-2003/172865/74 "2003-05-09T20:53:13Z")
thx to **Ferrous** and **spoke-** , I didn’t need to clear up Jenna being a whore issue… I would be using bitch but i find bitches (or female dogs) to be undyingly loyal, utmost respectful, good looking, intelligent, and generally nice to be around. Whores on the other hand, aren’t loyal, and use their looks… man i think the reunion show is going to be the best ever. I can’t wait for that. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-05-07-2003/172865/75 "2003-05-09T20:58:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by vandal \* > \*\*So, when did Jenna turn into a whore? \*\* In episode **1** , when she said how bummed she was that it was boys against the girls because she had intended to use her sexuality as a weapon in order to win the game. And then we have this gem, from episode 4… > [@](#): > > [http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor6/show/episode04/s6story2.shtml](http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor6/show/episode04/s6story2.shtml) > > The younger women were clashing with the elders as JoAnna expressed herself through prayer. This led Jenna Morasca, the 21-year-old swimsuit model from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, to reveal, “Don’t be mad at us because we have good bodies. It’s not our fault; get over it. Me and Heidi have the better bodies of the group and wanted to be on a tribe with men, because women can just get pissed about that fact and just vote us off for that reason.” > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by BiblioCat_ > > **There was no fire-building competition this year. I guess TPTB decided to give them a break.** Not so. The reward challenge in episode 4 was a fire-lighting challenge. > [@](#): > > [http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor6/show/episode04/s6story3.shtml](http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor6/show/episode04/s6story3.shtml) > > REWARD CHALLENGE: LIGHT MY FIRE > > Both tribes met host Jeff Probst at the Reward Challenge, where he explained the rules. **The Challenge tested both tribes’ ability to start fire.** Each tribe was represented by a 30-foot tower with four lines of rope connected to it. Each line stretched down to a separate fire station. The tribes would have to gather wood and start fires at four stations successively, building each fire high enough to burn through four separate ropes, which would each release a portion of a banner on their tower. First tribe to release all four ropes to reveal their entire banner would claim victory. The reward: a refrigerator stocked with ice-cold Coca-Cola! ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-05-07-2003/172865/76 "2003-05-09T21:02:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by skaterboarder87 \* > \*\*Here’s the deal, listening to an interview with Evan Marriott (of Joe Millionaire fame), he disclosed some very interesting tidbits that occurred during the production of the show. What it boils down to it that it’s really only 50% reality TV while the rest is either fabricated, forced or edited to add spice to what would otherwise be a very lame TV show. Anyone remember Big Brother? Neither do I. I have no reason to suspect that Survivor is any different than Joe Millionaire. \*\* So one reality TV participant struggling for an additional 15 minutes of fame who put his time in on another completely different network and completely different premise is a good source on how Survivor is run? Why not just read or listen to interviews of past Survivor contestants? They’ll say basically the same thing, and that there is a lot of producer manipulation in the form of retakes during challenges, heavy editing (what? You think we assume we see everything that happens in a 3 day period in one hour? Right.) But if you’re looking for coincidences to justify your conclusion, why do you ignore and disregard basic physics? REGARDLESS of all that, I’m still going to ask you again: What do the producers possibly have to gain by setting that fire? They didn’t gain any ratings from it, because they didn’t hype it up during the commercials. This wasn’t a “A Very Special” Survivor episode. ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-05-07-2003/172865/77 "2003-05-09T21:09:52Z")
Whether the fire was Butch’s fault or not, I’m sure he’s going to catch hell over it from his students: “Way to _go,_ Mr. Lockley! Maybe you shouldn’t be taking our lighters away from us after all!” His banner now reads: “Be In You.” I guess it’s still good advice… ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-05-07-2003/172865/78 "2003-05-09T21:19:47Z")
**munch** : 5. It took the guys (who _knew how to fish_) 9 days to think “… worms! :smack: we can dig for _worms_ and use them as bait!” Up to that point they were dipping bare hooks into the water and thinking, “here, fishy, fishy, fishy, bite the nice, tasty metal hook…” They caught four fingerlings the first day and ate them. Guys? When you catch fish that your knives aren’t small enough to gut? Those aren’t food. Not for you, anyway. It’s _BAIT!_ Thanks for playing. Oh, and in the bait challenge? When Probst says “Out in the _open river_ there are fish _this big_” and he holds his hands TWO FEET apart… that’s a HINT, you morons… if you’re fishing from shore and catching little teeny fish, you’re doing several things wrong… ---
**Author:** ![light\_strand](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a6a055/32.png) [@light\_strand](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/light_strand)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-05-07-2003/172865/79 "2003-05-09T21:25:39Z")
> [@](#): > > REGARDLESS of all that, I’m still going to ask you again: What do the producers possibly have to gain by setting that fire? Well what they really had to gain was a switch in the decision of who to boot. If the tribe would have bought into the “Butch burned the camp down” theory, and booted him, then the “pretty” girls would have stayed, the most important alliance would have been broken, and the power would have shifted. Also keep in mind, that Butch is without question one of the most uninteresting members to have ever made it this far. I’m not saying they did, I just wouldn’t put it past them. This is probably fed by the fact that I’m still bewildered by the fact that they didn’t show the vote by Shawna against Christie. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-05-07-2003/172865/80 "2003-05-09T21:33:24Z")
Heidi was on Howard Stern this morning. I only caught the last few minutes, but she was going off about what a genius she is. I guess she claims to have gotten really high ACT scores. (The details kind of went by me. I never took the ACTs and don’t have a good idea of what a good score is). She also claimed she wanted to be a doctor. She can put that in her Playboy interview, I supose, as that’s about the only fame she’s ever going to get. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-05-07-2003/172865.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-05-07-2003/172865.md?page=5)