# Survivor 09.24.09 "Taking Candy from a Baby" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 24, 2009, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-09-24-09-taking-candy-from-a-baby/511398 "2009-09-24T17:45:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-09-24-09-taking-candy-from-a-baby/511398/41 "2009-09-26T19:32:41Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > EDIT: I like to think that both Ethan and Yul were genuinely good people, but in thinking back over various seasons, weren’t they the exception rather than the rule? Nah. I think a good portion of the winners were genuinely good people including JT from last year, Fireman Tom, Earl, Aras and Bob. And as much as you may hate Boston Rob, he was a “good guy” in that he was honest and hardworking and Amber was a nice person too. I’d go so far as to say that the really terrible people like Fat Russell and Ben (Yasmin is just annoying, not a bad person _yet_) never even sniff the end game. We just remember the ones that do better because evil people stand out in Survivor more. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-09-24-09-taking-candy-from-a-baby/511398/42 "2009-09-26T19:37:13Z")
I love Boston Rob and Amber almost as much as Liberal pretended to in the Amazing Race threads. I wouldn’t go so far as to describe them as good guys, but I had a shit ton of respect for them and just genuinely liked them. Yeah, JT. Good call. He’s _exactly_ that kind of person I was talking about. Thanks for the reminder. And Fireman Tom was practically a comic book character in a white hat he was so chock full of goodness, but I don’t think he won. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-09-24-09-taking-candy-from-a-baby/511398/43 "2009-09-26T19:39:15Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > And Fireman Tom was practically a comic book character in a white hat he was so chock full of goodness, but I don’t think he won. [He won Survivor Palau with a 6-1 final vote.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Westman) ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-09-24-09-taking-candy-from-a-baby/511398/44 "2009-09-26T19:41:05Z")
Cool. You’ve really helped restore my faith in Survivor, at least in general. Hopefully someone emerges this season, though right now I’m not optimistic. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-09-24-09-taking-candy-from-a-baby/511398/45 "2009-09-26T20:00:50Z")
The first four or five episodes are rarely about the people who the show ends up being about as the season develops. The folks we’re going to turn out to like and root for are still flying under the radar right now. Hang in there! ('Cause between Ben and RussHole, it does require a fair amount of faith, I agree.) ---
**Author:** ![Clark\_K](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c77e96/32.png) [@Clark\_K](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clark_K)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-09-24-09-taking-candy-from-a-baby/511398/46 "2009-09-26T20:44:28Z")
So far, we’ve met one douchebag, one racist moron, one condescending walking talking stereotype, one clueless mullet and a couple of seemingly nice guys (Jaison, for instance). Meanwhile, they’ve eliminated one babe and one sensible person with an interesting background. I don’t like this direction. ---
**Author:** ![CapnPitt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/edb3f5/32.png) [@CapnPitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CapnPitt)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-09-24-09-taking-candy-from-a-baby/511398/47 "2009-09-26T21:10:57Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Fireman Tom was practically a comic book character in a white hat he was so chock full of goodness, but I don’t think he won. I know everybody loved Tom, but I thought he was a dick. He had mad skillz and was a good competitor, and I honestly don’t begrudge him the win, but I didn’t like the way he treated other people and I think he screwed DolphinBoy on the final challenge by playing the “you owe me” card. Good gameplay, but a dick move for somebody beloved as a white-hatted hero. I can’t believe I still carry a grudge about reality tv from years ago. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-09-24-09-taking-candy-from-a-baby/511398/48 "2009-09-26T21:18:58Z")
> [@CapnPitt](#): > > I know everybody loved Tom, but I thought he was a dick. He had mad skillz and was a good competitor, and I honestly don’t begrudge him the win, but I didn’t like the way he treated other people and I think he screwed DolphinBoy on the final challenge by playing the “you owe me” card. Good gameplay, but a dick move for somebody beloved as a white-hatted hero. > > I can’t believe I still carry a grudge about reality tv from years ago. That’s two of us who thought of that when Fireman Tom was mentioned, so you’re not alone. ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-09-24-09-taking-candy-from-a-baby/511398/49 "2009-09-26T23:21:18Z")
[QUOTE=jayjay] > [@CapnPitt](#): > > I know everybody loved Tom, but I thought he was a dick. … I can’t believe I still carry a grudge about reality tv from years ago. That’s two of us who thought of that when Fireman Tom was mentioned, so you’re not alone. [/QUOTE] Three. But, outside the game, he DOES seem like a decent guy, so I will give him that. Begrudgingly. ---
**Author:** ![CapnPitt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/edb3f5/32.png) [@CapnPitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CapnPitt)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2009, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-09-24-09-taking-candy-from-a-baby/511398/50 "2009-09-27T14:02:39Z")
Thanks **jayjay** and **rockle**. It’s nice to know there are other inmates in the asylum. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-09-24-09-taking-candy-from-a-baby/511398/51 "2009-09-30T03:27:31Z")
There were rumors of an All-Star season of Survivor being filmed in Samoa shortly after the current season wrapped up. There is a good chance that it is still going on. Survivor - Tsunami would be a sweet return to the original concept of Survivor, especially after this season decided to become Big Brother. Honestly, if they are there, I hope everyone is OK. I also hope they got some amazing footage of the Tsunami. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-09-24-09-taking-candy-from-a-baby/511398/52 "2009-09-30T04:26:20Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > Survivor - Tsunami would be a sweet return to the original concept of Survivor, especially after this season decided to become Big Brother. How do you mean? ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-09-24-09-taking-candy-from-a-baby/511398/53 "2009-09-30T06:22:01Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > How do you mean? There was an earthquake and a tsunami in Samoa today, [link](http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gcQYRcaxXR6t5UcX_WlbD_qBAmQwD9B1FAC80), and the OP is speculating that Survivor was filming a season in Samoa at the time. I don’t mean to spank the **Lamar** , but I’d be fine hearing more about how the Samoans are doing for now, and less about a television series. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-09-24-09-taking-candy-from-a-baby/511398/54 "2009-09-30T06:40:43Z")
No, I meant how Survivor became Big Brother this season. But thanks for the link; I hadn’t heard the story yet. ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-09-24-09-taking-candy-from-a-baby/511398/55 "2009-09-30T12:01:37Z")
Someday I may actually watch Survivor on Thursday night, or even Friday, and therefore be able to participate in the discussion in a more timely manner…😉 But anyhow, I was surprised that Betsy knew full well she was about to be voted out, yet did _virtually nothing_ to try to save herself. Same as Marisa last week, but even more glaringly obvious. With absolutely nothing to lose, why would she not go to every other tribe member with her doubts about RussHole? And/or make a more compelling argument against BenHole at TC than “I don’t understand why I’m on the chopping block and not Ben”? What the hell was that? I liked Betsy but she seemed to roll over and give up at the end, which was disappointing. So it does appear that RussHole’s plan may be starting to unravel on him already this week. On the other hand, a misleading edit on “Next time on Survivor” is not exactly without precedent. Finally, I’m holding out hope that a “nice” person to root for will emerge. Mick and Jaison seem decent enough, as does other-Russell. (Though Mick seems a bit clueless so far, it may be just a ruse.) And there are a number of Purples we just haven’t seen enough of yet to tell. ---
**Author:** ![singular1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba9def/32.png) [@singular1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/singular1)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-09-24-09-taking-candy-from-a-baby/511398/56 "2009-09-30T14:50:02Z")
Ding-ding-ding-ding!! Another inmate here! Oh, and purple team? There’s a purple team? I thought there was just ShamWow in a purple mullet holder, and then a bunch of extras that show up to beat them at a challenge. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-09-24-09-taking-candy-from-a-baby/511398/57 "2009-09-30T15:03:21Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > So it does appear that RussHole’s plan may be starting to unravel on him already this week. On the other hand, a misleading edit on “Next time on Survivor” is not exactly without precedent. I have a gut feeling that Jaison’s “him or me” is actually Ben. Especially after the racist claptrap that fell out of Ben’s mouth last week. Jaison visibly winced when Ben described whatshername as “ghetto trash”. ETA: Let me rephrase that…it _appears_ that Jaison visibly winced when etc etc etc. Knowing how the editors work, I’m allowing that it’s entirely possible that EVERY tribal reaction to the Ben/Bigmouth fight was actually from some other context with the shouting dubbed in. But I’ll take it on face value for now. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-09-24-09-taking-candy-from-a-baby/511398/58 "2009-09-30T19:51:28Z")
Re the Samoa tsunami and Survivor, story [here](http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2233717/survivor_samoa_goes_on_after_samoa.html?cat=2). Short version: they were not filming a season when the tsunami hit. ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-09-24-09-taking-candy-from-a-baby/511398/59 "2009-09-30T20:57:38Z")
Strange article. > [@Linked Article Above](#): > > However, Survivor: Samoa is an afterthought after the earthquake, and may make Survivor: Samoa harder to watch this season. > \ > But as the Samoa earthquake and tsunami continue to damage the country, Survivor: Samoa may seem like something in bad taste. > \ > Of course, the earthquake will make watching Survivor: Samoa more uneasy, > as TV survivors pale in comparison to real-life Samoans struggling to survive in more harsher climates right now. Odd grammar aside, It almost seems like this author has an axe to grind against _Survivor_ for some reason. The show probably didn’t _cause_ the earthquake; one doesn’t really have anything to do with the other. Of course I’m sympathetic to the victims, but I don’t see what’s in “bad taste” about having filmed a TV show in a place _before_ something bad happened nearby, or even filming again afterward. The author goes on to (somewhat scoldingly, IMO) note that “For now, CBS still seems set on airing Survivor: Samoa in its regular schedule.” I think _not_ airing it would be a ridiculous overreaction. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-09-24-09-taking-candy-from-a-baby/511398/60 "2009-10-01T05:52:34Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > Strange article.Odd grammar aside, It almost seems like this author has an axe to grind against _Survivor_ for some reason. That article was one I picked at random; there were any number I googled up that speculated about this Thursday’s episode being delayed, and/or a public service announcement included during the broadcast asking viewers to donate to quake relief. > [@](#): > > I think _not_ airing it would be a ridiculous overreaction. Agree. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-09-24-09-taking-candy-from-a-baby/511398.md?page=2)