# Survivor 10/22 - \*SPOILERS\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 23, 2009, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-22-spoilers/514807 "2009-10-23T01:37:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-22-spoilers/514807/41 "2009-10-24T03:45:48Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > While I was sad to see what happened to Good Russell (I had him pegged to go all the way to the final four), I’m glad they didn’t pull another one of those “both tribes have to vote someone out” nonsense. It just seems so against the spirit of Survivor to punish the winning team. > > They hadn’t done a double elimination for a few seasons now, so I figured Mark Burnett came to his senses, but I guess not. > > Also, I agree with whoever said that Evil Russell (who I guess is now just Russell) is growing on them. He’s a jackass to be sure, but he’s become more interesting as he slowly comes to realize that teamwork is important and that he’s not running the game. They’re especially bad because they always seem to come at a time when one team is doing really badly. They wouldn’t be so bad if both teams were dead even. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-22-spoilers/514807/42 "2009-10-24T05:37:20Z")
> [@Haunted](#): > > I also thought it was funny that that one girl said: \*I’d give anything for a tarp \*when it was the women who wanted the pillows and blankets as the reward a few weeks ago. Dumbass! Heh. > [@spoke-](#): > > Yes and if you think about it you’ll remember that Russell endorsed that choice, rather than taking the risk of alienating anyone. He could have overruled the girls and picked the tarp. Ultimately he paid for that poor decision. My recollection is different, and I keep forgetting to post how annoyed I was by this when it first aired and then the following week. The women didn’t ask for blankets, though they were clearly happy about it. Russell chose blankets over tarp by fiat in one of those snap decisions they’ve required the leaders to make a couple times so far this season. (I _hate_ this new leader thing, btw.) In his confessional Russell explained that he would have rather gone with the tarp, but he chose blankets to keep the women happy. I found this quite unpleasant in a smarmy, condescending way, though not because of the way he said it. Just the idea that the poor wimminfolk should be appeased to the detriment of the tribe was offensive to me. What, were they going to pout and cry and stamp their feet if Russell chose a tarp? Give me a break. Then on the next episode Russell got the tribe together and actually stated that he man _grunt_ he take care of **his** wimmin _grunt_ the wimmin on the tribe are **his** wimmin now _grunt_. Obviously that’s not a direct quote, but he absolutely used the possessive form “his women.” So offensive I wanted to punch him in the face. What, are the women in your tribe china dolls? Jesus Christ, that was some hardcore belittling he did both indirectly with his stupid choice of blankets and then directly by that little speech. Ugh. Then, to make things so much worse, the next episode he kept talking about how the choice was between cutesyness versus performance, and of course he’d choose performance without question. I’m sorry, what? Did you really just say that? Hey moron, you chose cutesy blankets over a performs-like-a-champ tarp like 3 days ago. Moron. Given that he didn’t suffer serious harm, I’m thrilled that he went out like a punkass bitch. Fuck him. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-22-spoilers/514807/43 "2009-10-24T06:51:07Z")
**Ellis Dee** : I have similar, though less intense, mixed feelings about Russell. His “I’m gonna take care of my wimmin” speech was creepy. I don’t think he was intentionally misogynistic more than misguided. I clearly remember one of the Galu women saying something to the effect that “maybe Russell should have gotten the tarp” when it started raining, so even they seem to agree that Russell blew that one. OTOH, you do need to wonder where “comfort vs practical” would break him. If he were offered a multistory steel lodge for nine players vs a day at a spa for everyone what he would have chosen? That we might wonder about that decision says something, but I don’t think we should attribute to evil what can be attributed to stupid. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-22-spoilers/514807/44 "2009-10-24T08:03:13Z")
I wouldn’t characterize him as evil. Misguided, dumb as a rock, and paternalistic to the point of misogyny. In and of itself, that made me dislike him. What made me glad to see him go the way he did was the condescending douchiness with which he delivered his (possibly unintentional) misogyny. > [@squeegee](#): > > I clearly remember one of the Galu women saying something to the effect that “maybe Russell should have gotten the tarp” when it started raining, so even they seem to agree that Russell blew that one. Oy. “Even” the women managed to figure that out? You remember correctly, and I’m choosing to ignore the implication of the editors that the women were in fact so monumentally stupid that they didn’t realize a tarp is better than blankets until it actually started to rain. I mean, that’s like choosing pillows over a flint, or a fish over fishing gear; it really doesn’t get much dumber. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-22-spoilers/514807/45 "2009-10-24T16:23:48Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Oy. “Even” the women managed to figure that out? OK, I deserve a :rolleyes: for that, but I intended it as “even the people Russell was trying to please thought it was a stupid idea”, not “wow, even some dumbass chick figured it out”. OK? ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-22-spoilers/514807/46 "2009-10-28T06:11:59Z")
I figured as much; just busting chops. (And to offer an unnecessary clarification, my final paragraph wasn’t directed at you, but rather raging into the ether. Are the women that stupid, or are the editors that malicious? Gah!) ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-22-spoilers/514807/47 "2009-10-29T03:29:38Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > And to offer an unnecessary clarification, my final paragraph wasn’t directed at you It’s cool, thanks. I was responding to what I’d quoted. > [@](#): > > Are the women that stupid, or are the editors that malicious? Yes. Of course not _all_ women are that stupid, but that goes without saying, right? 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-22-spoilers/514807.md?page=2)