# Survivor 10/23 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 23, 2003, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-23/209084 "2003-10-23T11:58:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![lisacurl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/41988e/32.png) [@lisacurl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisacurl)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-23/209084/81 "2003-10-24T20:16:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Zoe \* > \*\*Andrew’s face during the weight challenge was amazing. You could see how much of his strength was coming from concentration. \*\* It looked to me like he was doing some sort of meditative breathing technique as well as finding a focal point and dissociating a bit. You could see that he was exhaling in a very controlled way, unlike Osten Huff-n-Puff. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-23/209084/82 "2003-10-24T20:19:59Z")
I read too many Survivor boards so I can’t remember whether this was mentioned here or not, but Christa and Rupert actually did manage to kill a pelican and were going to take it back to camp to cook, but the producers warned them that pelicans are notorious for carrying some nasty parasites. I would guess the Morgans got the same warning when Pete showed up. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-23/209084/83 "2003-10-24T20:24:01Z")
As **Grace** just reminded me, check out what a wuss Osten was compared to Mike and Colby from Survivor 2 Australia. Those guys held poles with [over **400 pounds** of weights](http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor2/show/episode03/story2.html) hanging off of them. It only ended because Mike’s pole broke in half over his shoulders from that much weight on it. Watch the video on that link – _those_ guys were determined! ---
**Author:** ![Duderdude2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/cdc98d/32.png) [@Duderdude2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duderdude2)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-23/209084/84 "2003-10-24T20:54:30Z")
**jayjay** , just curious, but where do the message board people find that info? ---
**Author:** ![Batsinma\_Belfry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea5d25/32.png) [@Batsinma\_Belfry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Batsinma_Belfry)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-23/209084/85 "2003-10-24T21:09:08Z")
I thought it was funny when Andrew greeted Jon by calling him “Big Jon”, but when he was talking to the cameras he called him “Little Jon”. The theme for this season is “jumping the gun and getting yourself voted off”. Nicole did it when she tried to get Lillian to help her vote off Tijuana. Burton did it when he tried to get Rupert to vote off Christa, and now Trish. ---
**Author:** ![bobkitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c67d28/32.png) [@bobkitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobkitty)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-23/209084/86 "2003-10-24T22:51:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Duderdude2 \* > \*\ ***jayjay** , just curious, but where do the message board people find that info? \*\* If you mean the thing about the pelican- that was revealed in the TVGuide article several weeks before the season began. In the story introducing the contestants, they detailed the story of Christa hitting a pelican over the head with a rock, only to be told by producers that they shouldn’t eat it (which makes one wonder why they allowed her to kill it in the first place- the way the story was written, she was having some angst over whether she could do it or not, so they had time to stop her). ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2003, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-23/209084/87 "2003-10-25T00:35:39Z")
**Duderdude** , not really sure. The pelican thing came from TV Guide, as **bobkitty** noted. There are a few boards with insider spies, including one where two of the volunteer posters went to the Islands after production was over and toured the area they were shooting in, checking out clues left when the production crew departed. And several posters on different boards have purchased Survivor Premium membership and are posting their information from that. ---
**Author:** ![shijinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@shijinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shijinn)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2003, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-23/209084/88 "2003-10-25T00:40:09Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by \*\*PunditLisa \*\* > … Anyone else get the feeling that Andrew … was going to sit there FOREVER just to pay back John for being such an ass. “Well, you actually lost 7. How could you NOT know we threw that challenge?” Downside to pissing off your opponent, John: It motivates them. … :waves: are pelicans so tame? or did the producers feed them or something? btw i saw a scorpion climbing up a tree trunk while they interviewed one of the tribe members last week. aren’t they poisonous? ---
**Author:** ![Ferrous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Ferrous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferrous)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2003, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-23/209084/89 "2003-10-25T07:01:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* > **Ferrous, I think it was Sandra — not Jon — who said that the person leaving would be the one least expecting it.** No, I just went back and reviewed the tape to make sure I was remembering correctly. It was right after they showed Rupert talking to Shawn and making the deal. Jon and Shawn went for a walk on the beach. At the end of the segment, Shawn says (actual quote this time), “Little do they know. I think everyone is going to be shocked. Everyone. Ha ha ha.” (Yes, he did actually say “Ha ha ha.”) So it wasn’t _quite_ as bad as I said before, but still treading a bit close to the edge, IMO. > [@](#): > > \*\* I disagree with you on Rupert’s speech. As the leader of his alliance, he needed to show strength and resolve.\*\* _Why_ did he need to? 'Cause I just can’t see how any good could have resulted from that speech. And on that subject, that’s another thing that’s been bugging me: one thing people should have learned from previous seasons is that it’s a bad idea to be perceived as a leader. The nail that sticks up gets hammered down. The best players (Rich and Bryan and Amazon Rob, IMO) knew that it was best to lead from the rear, as it were, so as not to cause resentment. Let other people think they’re calling the shots, and you’re just making “suggestions”. And actually, Rupert does seem to get that too, but sometimes he forgets. Andrew, on the other hand, doesn’t get it at all. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2003, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-23/209084/90 "2003-10-25T11:13:12Z")
Ferrous I was thinking of the TC. That’s where Sandra said it. As for Rupert, the why was part of the remark: “as the leader of his alliance…”. * * * Shayna Wow! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![jimmmy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/73ab20/32.png) [@jimmmy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jimmmy)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2003, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-23/209084/91 "2003-10-25T11:39:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by annieclaus \* > \*\*I totally agree with this statement! Otherwise, I don’t see how either of them could have gotten on the show. What’s with that Osten, the Man of Muscle, dropping his load (Did I Say THAT???) at such a measly weight??? I tell ya, he’s out to cripple his team and I think he is being paid to do it!!! \*\* You know guys (incl. Little Nemo), I wondered the same thing. I wonder if Jon and Osten are full tribemembers – free to vote for anyone or to be voted out, but both were secretly supposed to do thier best to throw an (or X number) of immunity and reward challanges: Osten in the water “drowning” looked fake to me {esp. after his 1/4 mile swim in the 1st episode}, as did his drop this week at the (relatively) low weight. Jon on the rudder at the reward challange Morgan won was simply ridiculous and it was he who actually “threw” the earlier challange (tho he had buy-in from everyone). Just looking for shadows maybe, giving these two … mess-ups … too much credit probably – but the thought crossed my mind. You know I think a Morgan is more likely to win now than a Drake. Especially if they merge soon/now. Jon & Shawn both seem likely to me to jump, 7 if i were Jon I might take a deal now to be the last Drake standing … Only (possibly) Osten seems even remotely likely to screw Morgan. If there is no merge or one side goes into it weaker in a couple weeks – well, that is a different story. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Ash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71c47a/32.png) [@Mr.Ash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Ash)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2003, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-23/209084/92 "2003-10-25T21:31:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by shijinn \* > \*\*… btw i saw a scorpion climbing up a tree trunk while they interviewed one of the tribe members last week. aren’t they poisonous? \*\* Most of them have “poison” that is “itchy and irritating” rather than “drop dead frothing at the mouth”. Not that’d I want to find out which flavor is on that island the hard way. ---
**Author:** ![kka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/54ee81/32.png) [@kka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kka)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2003, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-23/209084/93 "2003-10-25T23:02:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Shayna \* > \*\*As **Grace** just reminded me, check out what a wuss Osten was compared to Mike and Colby from Survivor 2 Australia. \*\* I’m hoping that they are both on the all-star edition. When is the cast list announced? ---
**Author:** ![vandal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/858c86/32.png) [@vandal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vandal)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2003, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-23/209084/94 "2003-10-26T00:06:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kka \* > \*\*I’m hoping that they are both on the all-star edition. When is the cast list announced? \*\* Not sure. But we do know it’ll air right after the Super Bowl, according to [this link](http://www.survivorfever.net/index8.html) (towards the bottom). ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2003, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-23/209084/95 "2003-10-27T20:37:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by monstro \* > \*\*I do think Rupert needs to tone it down a little. Everything is “my and mine” with him. My tribe. My spear. My fish. My snake. It was inevitable that some on the team would tire of that. \*\* Yes, indeed. At one point he said, “Get off **my** island and out of \*\*my \*\* adventure.” Sorry, Rupe, it’s neither ‘your’ island nor ‘your’ adventure. As for previous posts saying either Jon or Osten are plants, how about Rupert being the plant? He’s just a little too likeable and a little too capable. Hmm? And **Shayna’s** spoiler isn’t a spoiler anymore if you watch the TV previews. If you turn the TV off or change channels to avoid them, then it is still a spoiler, but the previews for this week’s show confirm it. And I agree, this version of _Survivor_ is great! I just wonder how they’re going to work it. Will the whole group come back, as a new tribe? Will one member get to come back in place of someone being voted out? Don’t ruin it for me, I’m just speculating… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-23/209084.md?page=4)