# Survivor 10/9 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 7, 2003, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-9/206055 "2003-10-07T14:05:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Velma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/85e7bf/32.png) [@Velma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velma)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2003, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-9/206055/61 "2003-10-10T17:31:44Z")
I’ll bet the treasure chest just leaked from being underground and it was not intentionally bad. A lot of those things can be cleaned and still used, though, so I thought some of them were bitching unnecessarily. Put the hammock and the blankets in the sun after rinsing them well and they’ll be ok. It would have been a greater benefit to Morgan, because Drake already had a lot of the necessities in the trunk. Now I wonder if they will ever get their packs back. Maybe they are saving them for individual rewards after the merge. That would be a good personal reward. I really hope this ‘switch tribe members for a day’ is really only temporary and that it is taking the place of permanently trading team members. I just want Morgan tribe to go - I am much more interested in seeing how Drake plays out. Maybe they will give Rupert the choice of who he wants to stay with - kind of like the switching teams option they had before in past seasons, except nobody dared do it. Maybe they think that now that a team member is forced to do a ‘trial’ first they might decide they want to stay. Not likely with Rupert, but if the challenge had gone the other way I can see a Morgan member deciding to stay with Drake. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2003, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-9/206055/62 "2003-10-10T17:37:04Z")
> [@](#): > > He had to jump off the original boat in Episode One and swim, so he has to be able to swim. I just didn’t get what his problem was last night… Could explain why he just let go of the rope in the Immunity Challenge last week. He’s got to be strong with those muscles! He could have had a cramp. What with the lack of protein, that would be a danger. But he didn’t _look_ like he had a cramp. If he had one, I think he would be grabbing his leg. I don’t know. Not being a body builder, I don’t know about the muscles. Could be that they’re great for short, heavy jobs, but are not so good for endurance. And they were holding that weight for a long time. ---
**Author:** ![Mullinator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@Mullinator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mullinator)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2003, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-9/206055/63 "2003-10-10T18:26:45Z")
I can’t believe they voted Peja Stojakavic off. ---
**Author:** ![Batsinma\_Belfry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea5d25/32.png) [@Batsinma\_Belfry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Batsinma_Belfry)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2003, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-9/206055/64 "2003-10-10T19:07:54Z")
Another thing… If you’re on the verge of starving, and have nothing to eat but rice, what do you do when a big juicy crab crawls into your camp, and lets you get close enough to grab it? If you’re an idiot, you hold it up to the camera and complain about how annoying it is that the local wildlife is comming into camp. ---
**Author:** ![Poonther](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Poonther](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poonther)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2003, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-9/206055/65 "2003-10-10T22:58:50Z")
It’s a sad sad day when eye candy like Burton is voted off and yet the ugly monkey boy Jon remains. Damn and all that thick luscious pelt of chest hair that Burton had never got a chance to grow back before our eyes and now we are stuck having to look at the drunken mop head known as Jon. UGH! I also think Sandra is nasty and negative and has a mouth like a sailor. ---
**Author:** ![whiterabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/cab0a1/32.png) [@whiterabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whiterabbit)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-9/206055/66 "2003-10-11T01:21:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Johnny L.A. \* > \*\*Not being a body builder, I don’t know about the muscles. Could be that they’re great for short, heavy jobs, but are not so good for endurance. And they were holding that weight for a long time. \*\* As much as I HATE HATE HATE defending the guy, maybe the rope was just starting to slip and he let go so that it wouldn’t take the skin off his hands with it? I’d have to go back and look. I suspect his muscles are good for show more than use. Rupert has muscles underneath, that much is very obvious. And I bet he knows his limits better, having had more years of practice learning them. I’m SO PISSED at Drake right now. But I’m still rooting for Rupert. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-9/206055/67 "2003-10-11T04:09:19Z")
> [@](#): > > I got the feeling last night that Osten (and I hope I have the correct term here) is a Fifth Column. I mean, he’s purposely there to screw things up for whatever team he’s on. I think annieclaus is on to something. At the next Tribal Council, Jeff will reveal that Osten has all along secretly been … The Mole! While Burton screwed up, I can see what his concern was. He realized that the Morgans are dead meat and counted the numbers in Drake. He, Michelle, and Shawn are together with Christa, Sandra, and Trish also allied. Burton also realized that after the merge he, Rupert, and Shawn would be obvious targets as strong individual players. So Burton tried to bring in the two players he thought were unaligned, Jon and Rupert, to start picking off the other three while it was still early. That said, his strategy has a number of holes in it. First, the fact that he’s isolated with Michelle and Shawn was his own fault. Second, he failed to convert either Jon or Rupert (or Shawn apparently) to his plan. Third, it was at least a week too early to plan on throwing a challenge. Basically, he made the same mistake Nicole did in the first episode of plotting too far ahead of the others and making himself the target of everyone’s suspicions. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-9/206055/68 "2003-10-11T05:39:06Z")
I have one goal in life now. I want to see Jon taken down. And not just taken down, but blown away. I want to see the rug yanked out from under him, taking him totally by surprise. And then I want to see him break down, lose it, and weep like a little child. ---
**Author:** ![Madawc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@Madawc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Madawc)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-9/206055/69 "2003-10-11T06:02:53Z")
What about that BIG LIE that was mentioned early in the game… some people said it was Jon, but didn’t the next ep’s preview show that Shawn guy bitching about Jon being a traitor of some sort… but that Shawn guy voted for Burton and stirring up some trouble to get Jon ousted by pinning him as a liar and not “trustable” player? I’m not sure if it was Jon or Shawn that started the loyalty questioning but I think it was Shawn raggin on Jon. I love the slight twist in giving Rupert to the losers, it’s too bad that Rupert has to be in the middle of all this switcheroo. He’ll lose almost all his power from leaving camp, who can trust him anymore. drake can’t totally trust him again and morgan might think he’ll sabotage things if he can. Things aren’t looking good for him for now. I would love to see how he can make a good situation on such a harsh predicament not of his choosing. Jon is such a joke, I hope he stays in the game so I can have someone to root against. This guy thinks he knows everything, thinks he’s the main player and only player in the game. I want that to be proven wrong. I guess we need to wait next week for some concrete answers. I can’t wait! ---
**Author:** ![shijinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@shijinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shijinn)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-9/206055/70 "2003-10-11T07:45:20Z")
> [@](#): > > _from lillian on [cbs.com](http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor7/survivors/chat/lillian/lillian.shtml)_ > … What were we going to do when our food ran out (we only had one bag of rice and one bag of beans)? And we didn’t really take care of our food supply very well, because they would lay on the bags and use them as pillows. The food would be dropped out into the sand, and they didn’t think much of it … so that’s why they had sand in their rice… > [@](#): > > … I understand why Jon voted for Burton. He had the opportunity to align himself with two strong men (Shawn and Burton) or physically weaker women (Trish, Krista etc.) … not that much weaker maybe, after all jon lost to tijuana during the grappling match. why did they cut through the forest instead of following the coastline, they’re fishing right? might as well stay near the water? this picture of a [catch](http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor7/show/episode03/s7freeze.shtml) must have been the prime reason why the moron tribe wants rupert, above all else. i think it’s telling on the tribe that they can’t afford to let osten go despite him screwing up every episode so far. whoever wins in the end, maybe rupert will have an easier time with his troubled teens after the show, fans and all that… ---
**Author:** ![Marshall07](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Marshall07](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marshall07)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-9/206055/71 "2003-10-11T12:59:39Z")
Darn I missed this episode but thanks for filling me in guys:D ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-9/206055/72 "2003-10-11T13:19:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by hillbilly queen \* > \*\*Another thing… > > If you’re on the verge of starving, and have nothing to eat but rice, what do you do when a big juicy crab crawls into your camp, and lets you get close enough to grab it? > If you’re an idiot, you hold it up to the camera and complain about how annoying it is that the local wildlife is comming into camp. \*\* I’ll take “Idiots” for $500, Alex. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-9/206055/73 "2003-10-11T14:16:47Z")
> [@](#): > > I suspect his muscles are good for show more than use. Heh. That’s what I wanted to say, but I was trying to be diplomatic. 😃 Yes, it could also have been that he wanted to keep the skin on his hands when the rope started to slip. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-9/206055/74 "2003-10-11T16:22:12Z")
I’ve often wondered this about crabs. Obviously the smaller crabs would be difficult to eat in the traditional way; but if you got a lot of them and boiled them, would that make a nice broth? Might that be a source of protein and calcium? ---
**Author:** ![CnoteChris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/278dde/32.png) [@CnoteChris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CnoteChris)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-9/206055/75 "2003-10-11T16:53:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by McDeath\_the\_Mad \* > \*\*I can’t believe Drake threw the challenge! I’m sure it will bite them in the ass down the road. > > Think about it, if they didn’t throw the challenge, Drake would win immunity, Morgan would be down to 4 members. Then Drake would take one of Morgans people for a couple of days. So Morgan would only have 3 people left for the Reward challenge! > > How sweet would that have been! > > MtM \*\* Except that I doubt that ever would have happened. I mean, maybe I’m the only one thinking this, but I assumed that once the producers found out the other team was going to throw the challenge, they decided they’d throw in that whole ‘added surprise’ thing. It just seems so obvious… and so incredibly manipulative. And a bit dissapointing, if you ask me. I always thought they kept this kind of stuff seperate, and didn’t let it interfere with the larger aspect of the game. Now that I know, or suspect, that the producers can change things as they go, and manipulate the hell out of who stays and go’s, it just won’t be the same watching anymore. Not that I don’t enjoy it or anything, I do. I’ll continue to watch, but just with a more jadded eye from now on. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-9/206055/76 "2003-10-11T17:17:34Z")
It’s always been that way, CNote, in practically every reality game/series. So-called “twists” are a big part of the thing, and most contracts (so I’m told) state explicitly that the show can and may modify the rules at will and without notice. In fact, for _Big Brother_, “Expect the unexpected” is their motto. ---
**Author:** ![CnoteChris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/278dde/32.png) [@CnoteChris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CnoteChris)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-9/206055/77 "2003-10-11T17:40:24Z")
I realize that Libertarian. It just seemed so… I dunno, cheesy? lame? The producers learned the other camp wanted to try out a new stategy, that would presumably help them out in the long run (Or so it was hoped, who knows). Instead of having that play out and see what happens, the producers come along and toss a wrench into it, simply because they can, and because they know in advance the other teams strategy. I know manipulation is a part of the game. It’s a part of any of them. It’s just in my case, I wish it wasn’t so obvious and such a determinate in what’s eventually going to happen down the road. It makes what all the teams are up to, and their strategizing, all the more pointless-- it doesn’t matter, as it all can be changed at the drop of the hat, irregardless of the ‘rules’. See what I mean? ---
**Author:** ![Ferrous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Ferrous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferrous)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2003, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-9/206055/78 "2003-10-15T00:59:29Z")
Pardon the late posting—I haven’t been online much lately, and I’ve just been catching up on these Survivor threads. I just have a few comments… My take on why Shawn voted for his seeming-ally Burton: Jon told him to. During Jon’s “I’m a puppet master” monologue (Ha!), he listed his various alliances: a five-way one with Rupert, Christa, Sondra, and Trish; a four-way one with Burton, Shawn, and Michelle; and a two-way one with Shawn. Apparently those two have some private deal. So I’m figgering that when Jon chose to back the R/C/S/T alliance against B/S/M, he warned his buddy Shawn. Shawn decided there was no point in going down with the ship, as it were, so voted along with the majority. Also… > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by annieclaus \* > **He had to jump off the original boat in Episode One and swim, so he has to be able to swim.** But when they swam ashore in Ep. 1, Osten was hanging on to the life ring. And even so, he said he didn’t much care for the experience. I believe he really isn’t much of a swimmer. And with all those muscles, he’s bound to sink like a stone unless he keeps paddling hard. And just FTR, I’m a huge Rupert fan (like most everybody else). I love Christa also. (I find her goofy voice endearing, not annoying.) I hope those two go all the way. Go Drake! ---
**Author:** ![shijinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@shijinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shijinn)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2003, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-9/206055/79 "2003-10-16T14:10:33Z")
i’d just read the recap and found something i missed, i had assumed that drake didn’t take the water pot out of pity but there wasn’t any footage at all towards that, so a ‘no, you cannot take the pot’ order makes sense… > [@](#): > > _Originally from [television without pity](http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/story.cgi?show=47&story=5557&page=9&sort=&limit=)_ > … The interesting question, of course, is why they went to all the trouble of showing us last week the agonizing struggle at Drake over whether to take the pot, when it didn’t even matter (since Morgan had two), but they gave us no indication this week of any of the discussion that went into foregoing the pot this week (when it mattered enormously). It seems like there are three possibilities. … That leaves option #3, which is that some offscreen-type made it clear that they weren’t to take the pot, because, as Osten said, that would finish off Morgan and disrupt the game. That’s the only explanation that I can see that accounts for the complete failure to show even a hint of the Drake looting discussion. I could be wrong, of course, but if they did change their mind and go with mercy or something, it would be criminal not to show it, at least. … [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-10-9/206055.md?page=3)