# Survivor 11/16/11 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 17, 2011, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-16-11/603221 "2011-11-17T13:08:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-16-11/603221/1 "2011-11-17T13:08:08Z")
So I guess this episode was boring enough that no one started a thread? The producers obviously wanted to get the Pagonging over ASAP. Good for them. Albert made an incredibly weak play to shake things up (vote out Edna? Really?), and, I don’t remember anything else. Except that the giant Pacific Clam won’t actually grab your arm and drown you, despite everything I learned from Lloyd Bridges and “Sea Hunt”. ---
**Author:** ![Lare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/53a042/32.png) [@Lare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lare)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-16-11/603221/2 "2011-11-17T13:46:05Z")
Just because I never get to post this early in a thread: I was actually impressed by Coach’s assessment of the game in this episode. He’s really mellowed from previous seasons. Oh. And Brandon spelling Dawn’s name as “Don?” ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-16-11/603221/3 "2011-11-17T14:24:36Z")
There were really only two thing I took from this: 1. Returning players are very good at building solid tribal unity - they have experienced the blindsides and can effectively scare the new players straight. 2. Albert and Sophie are the only ones playing for jury votes. I don’t think for a moment that they seriously considered letting Whitney and Dawn get remotely close to the Final 5 (where one or two challenge wins gives them a million bucks). But by entertaining it, and saying “we’ll see what we can do”, they are much more likely to get those votes than Coach is. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-16-11/603221/4 "2011-11-17T14:29:38Z")
> [@Lare](#): > > Oh. And Brandon spelling Dawn’s name as “Don?” Well, she looks a little mannish. 😛 (Actually, she’s not that bad. Though maybe she does look a little like a jack-o-lantern. Love the socks.) Sorry to see Whitney go, just because I like looking at cute girls. I’m sure her appearance on the show will help her career. Now the rest of them can start eating themselves. Ozzie’s livin’ da life. Eating well and staying active, rather than plotting and playing chequers gives him a chance (as he says – over and over and over…). If he can stay in the game long enough, he might be able to shake things up once the hard feelings on the other side take hold. ---
**Author:** ![Lare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/53a042/32.png) [@Lare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lare)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-16-11/603221/5 "2011-11-17T14:36:13Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Well, she looks a little mannish. 😛 (Actually, she’s not that bad. Though maybe she does look a little like a jack-o-lantern. Love the socks.) I| think she looks a bit like [Suze Orman](http://www.suzeorman.com/photolibrary/resources_suze.jpg). I like the socks too. Is it just me or is it that there’s been a recurring theme in several seasons–one woman wears knee-length socks to the challenges? ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-16-11/603221/6 "2011-11-17T14:37:38Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Ozzie’s livin’ da life. Eating well and staying active, rather than plotting and playing chequers gives him a chance (as he says – over and over and over…). If he can stay in the game long enough, he might be able to shake things up once the hard feelings on the other side take hold. If Ozzie lasts on RI, gets back into the game, wins the 1 or 2 immunity challenges needed to get to the final 3, he’s got an excellent chance - 4 jury members will be from his former alliance. That will also thankfully mean the end of RI, since it will show what a terrible idea it is game-wise. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-16-11/603221/7 "2011-11-17T14:39:52Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > So I guess this episode was boring enough that no one started a thread? I was busy live-tweeting and touting with Probst, who has still yet to answer any of my questions. I usually make the thread. Seriously, though, I highly recommend tweeting and touting with Probst. He really gives some insight into the show’s production and so forth, as well as handing out free buffs for great questions. ---
**Author:** ![Lare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/53a042/32.png) [@Lare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lare)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-16-11/603221/8 "2011-11-17T14:48:29Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I I highly recommend tweeting and touting with Probst. He really gives some insight into the show’s production and so forth… How does that work across the time zones? Does he do multiple sessions or does everyone have to go based on one time zone (I would assume Eastern)? ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-16-11/603221/9 "2011-11-17T14:48:55Z")
Coach does seem to be two steps ahead of everybody else, much like Rob was last season. _And_ he’s keeping the crazy in check so far. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I think he can actually win this thing. On the other hand, I keep liking Cochran more and more, though if he gets to the end he probably won’t have the votes to win. I find myself writing his final TC speeches in my head; I’m not sure how well he’ll be able to sell himself. Oh, and as an aside, [here’s a little tidbit my wife found](http://www.eonline.com/news/survivor_scandal_supposedly_single/274761). Apparently Whitney got married just before the show began filming, then left her brand-new husband to be with Keith. Nice. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-16-11/603221/10 "2011-11-17T14:53:41Z")
> [@Lare](#): > > How does that work across the time zones? Does he do multiple sessions or does everyone have to go based on one time zone (I would assume Eastern)? He watches the East Coast feed in CBS studios and does it with the East Coast. He does go and do it again with the West Coast sometimes, but not always. One week this season, he did flip it and do West Coast only, but that was the first time. I’m in the East Coast timezone, so it works out fine for me. He’s very active the entire episode, making videos(touts) and tweets the entire time. Definitely avoid his twitter account if you are on the west coast. He spoils it majorly along the way. ---
**Author:** ![Lare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/53a042/32.png) [@Lare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lare)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-16-11/603221/11 "2011-11-17T15:01:37Z")
Thanks, I’m in Mountain time zone so much closer to CA time than NY. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-16-11/603221/12 "2011-11-17T15:28:58Z")
> [@Lare](#): > > Thanks, I’m in Mountain time zone so much closer to CA time than NY. I can see that he did not tweet for the West last night at all, which I think is fairly common. His Touts at [tout.com](http://tout.com) are highly worth it anyway, since they are videos of him answering questions fans ask about the show. [View them here. Some insight into the show and how it is run, along with some thoughtful analysis from Probst.](http://www.tout.com/u/jeffprobst) ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-16-11/603221/13 "2011-11-17T20:38:18Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > Coach does seem to be two steps ahead of everybody else, much like Rob was last season. _And_ he’s keeping the crazy in check so far. I was thinking that too… though the preview for next week shows the crazy might be slipping back in. Instead of RI, I wish the producers would find some way to shake up the “whichever tribe loses the first post-merge vote gets Pagonged” effect. Maybe do something crazy like re-align teams after every challenge. TAKE THAT, STRONG ALLIANCE META! ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-16-11/603221/14 "2011-11-17T20:41:56Z")
When was the last time they did a tribe shuffle anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-16-11/603221/15 "2011-11-17T21:03:05Z")
Survivor just got renewed for two more years, with Probst agreeing to host and produce(no changes there). [Good news.](http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/11/17/survivor-renewed-for-another-season-by-cbs/111081/) ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-16-11/603221/16 "2011-11-17T21:48:48Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > When was the last time they did a tribe shuffle anyway? I think it was two seasons ago. The one with Crazy (older lady) Jane. The one that Fabio won? ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-16-11/603221/17 "2011-11-17T22:37:27Z")
I think they figured that the new twist in the game that is Redemption Island would negate the need to shuffle the tribes. The second Pagonging in the last two seasons tells me they miscalculated. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-16-11/603221/18 "2011-11-18T06:20:46Z")
My first thought for the first II: This is a woman’s challenge. Lower center of gravity gives them a distinct advantage. Note that Brandon was the only male in contention. Cachrane offered much comedic viewing during that challenge. As for the 2nd IC, who the hell would think that a clam could be dangerous, no matter how big? Ozzie is doing some serious free diving. For anyone who hasn’t done this before, it’s not easy to free dive to the depths he’s doing. He’s got a pretty good strategy going, and if a _Survivor_ retread has to win, I hope it’s him. ---
**Author:** ![singular1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba9def/32.png) [@singular1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/singular1)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-16-11/603221/19 "2011-11-18T12:42:21Z")
I really like watching Ozzy at RI, if only because he’s the only person shown in years doing the actual premise of the show - surviving. I’m glad they’re missing him back at Hot Tuna. It’s been a long time since the role of provider was a factor. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-16-11/603221/20 "2011-11-18T14:43:25Z")
I wonder if Redemption Island ends next week. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-16-11/603221.md?page=2)