# Survivor--11/18. Slightly more interesting than watching paint dry. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 19, 2004, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-18-slightly-more-interesting-than-watching-paint-dry/275608 "2004-11-19T04:36:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2004, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-18-slightly-more-interesting-than-watching-paint-dry/275608/21 "2004-11-19T16:49:01Z")
> [@Lamar Mundane](#): > > You can tell I’m good with names. Names? These people have _names_? Huh. ---
**Author:** ![Sweetums](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Sweetums](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sweetums)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2004, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-18-slightly-more-interesting-than-watching-paint-dry/275608/22 "2004-11-19T16:51:30Z")
So, do ya think the guys think their “vote off the strong guys first” strategy was still a good idea? ``` Yep, they were just asking for a Pagong-ing, and now they are getting it. Still, you would think a season with such blatently bad stratagy, and Ami the playboy model/amazon man hater would be fun to watch. ``` ---
**Author:** ![Big\_Norse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/big_norse/32/9954_2.png) [@Big\_Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Big_Norse)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2004, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-18-slightly-more-interesting-than-watching-paint-dry/275608/23 "2004-11-19T17:30:48Z")
I just want to go on record to say that I’m really going to miss Chad. He is the most polite, calm, reasonable person yet to appear on reality tv. He was even a gentleman for his “exit quip.” And he’s cute too! I now have no reason whatsoever to watch the show (except for the fact that I’ve got money riding on Twila - and I’m not holding out much hope for that). ---
**Author:** ![Glory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7cd45c/32.png) [@Glory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Glory)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2004, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-18-slightly-more-interesting-than-watching-paint-dry/275608/24 "2004-11-19T17:43:18Z")
I’m also going to really miss Chad. Good looking, an inspirational cancer survivor, no whining, nice build, adorable, well spoken…he was my big Survivor crush this season. ---
**Author:** ![kka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/54ee81/32.png) [@kka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kka)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2004, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-18-slightly-more-interesting-than-watching-paint-dry/275608/25 "2004-11-19T17:49:02Z")
> [@Sweetums](#): > > “vote off the strong guys first” strategy was still a good idea? > > ``` > Yep, they were just asking for a Pagong-ing, and now they are getting it. > > ``` That was my biggest problem with the men. They started worrying about the end game **way** too early. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2004, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-18-slightly-more-interesting-than-watching-paint-dry/275608/26 "2004-11-19T17:58:33Z")
> [@Big\_Norse](#): > > I just want to go on record to say that I’m really going to miss Chad. He’s the only one I really gave a damn about. I did have some money riding on him, but at this point, I would just as soon throw my twenty bucks down a sewer grate than watch the rest of the season. _sigh_ Of course, if either Leann or Twila wins, I just made $90, but I can’t bring myself to care. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2004, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-18-slightly-more-interesting-than-watching-paint-dry/275608/27 "2004-11-19T18:21:02Z")
> [@Lamar Mundane](#): > > This should be a slam dunk now, but the previews show some bad strategy going on… > > There is clearly a top 3 (Ami, whatshername, whatshername) and a bottom 4 (dude, 2 old chicks, Eliza). If I were the dude, I’d have said very loudly on the walk back to camp “Ami, do you realize what you’ve done?” just to set up the conflict. The problem is, the 2 old chicks and the dude are really in an anti-Eliza party. It would be tough to regroup and bring her in when Ami can say that she saved Eliza from the chopping block when Scout wanted to throw her under the bus. Unless ICs play a role, I can’t see a final four other than Ami, Leann (who is playing Amber to Ami’s Jerry…not Amber to Ami’s Rob), Julie and Eliza. I think the talk of splitting alliances, even though Scout and Twila voted for Chad, will make evil Ami nervous. She’ll give them the Lisa treatment faster than you can say Tribal Council. (Sorry…that was weak). > [@](#): > > The final four is there for the taking. The top three are not good at challenges, and the bottom four have the remaining strength and endurance. Yet in the previews, it looks like the dude is trying to side with Ami’s group. > > Jeff even tried to tell the dude this at the end of tribal council. I don’t think he got it. Really, though, Dude (aka- Chris) has not shown ANY competency in the challenges. If the men had been smart, Chris would have been sent home in week 1. How he is the last man standing, I don’t have a clue. I don’t see him as a threat to the women in the ICs. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2004, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-18-slightly-more-interesting-than-watching-paint-dry/275608/28 "2004-11-19T18:41:55Z")
My guess is that unless Chris wins immunity, he’ll be voted off next week. Why? Because if there’s the slightest chance that a man will make it to the final 2, he’s already got 2 solid votes (Chad and Sarge). Add those 2 votes to the losers of the Eliza/Scout conflict and the numbers aren’t looking too good to win the million bucks. Eliza and Twila/Scout would be stupid to vote each other off now that they’ve burned their bridges with the men. So even though the previews show dissension in the ranks, I imagine they’ll do what they’ve done just about every other week: pretend to consider an alternate strategy and then continue to vote the last man off. That levels the playing field for any of the women to win. I doubt Burnett will ever separate the men and women into separate tribes again. This women power thing has gotten old. I also think more tribe switches ought to be done earlier to prevent 4-person voting blocs such as Sarge and Ami’s. At the end of the day, it makes for a real snoozer. If the women hadn’t eeked out the small advantage after the tribe switch, it would have undoubtedly been Sarge, Chris, Chad and whathisname (dude with long hair) voting off the women one by one. Loyalty is great in real life. On Survivor, it’s booooring. I hate to say it, but I miss Johnny Fairplay. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2004, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-18-slightly-more-interesting-than-watching-paint-dry/275608/29 "2004-11-19T18:50:03Z")
I’m with **Lisa** , it’s sad when one gets nostalgic for Jonny Fairplay or Alicia’s finger-waving. I did like Chris telling everyone that Sarge told him how to vote, just for the sheer jackassery of it. That was, as far as I can recall, the only part of last night’s episode I remember hearing. Everything else was very “blah blah blah” in the back of my head. I think next time around, they should start in two tribes (16 or 18 players, who cares), then switch up every six days or so, effectively preventing any alliances whatsoever. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2004, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-18-slightly-more-interesting-than-watching-paint-dry/275608/30 "2004-11-19T20:17:12Z")
> [@watsonwil](#): > > The problem is, the 2 old chicks and the dude are really in an anti-Eliza party. It would be tough to regroup and bring her in when Ami can say that she saved Eliza from the chopping block when Scout wanted to throw her under the bus. This is true, but they can get past that if Chris(?) or one of the older women gets them together and says that “in any scenario, we are the next four eliminated. You can go with them and finish 4, 5, 6, or 7, or you can go with us and finish 1,2,3, or 4.” Barring anyone making an immunity run. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2004, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-18-slightly-more-interesting-than-watching-paint-dry/275608/31 "2004-11-19T20:38:18Z")
> [@Lamar Mundane](#): > > This is true, but they can get past that if Chris(?) or one of the older women gets them together and says that “in any scenario, we are the next four eliminated. You can go with them and finish 4, 5, 6, or 7, or you can go with us and finish 1,2,3, or 4.” > > Barring anyone making an immunity run. But who would they pull with this argument? There are only 7 left. Ami, Leann and Julie seem like a solid block. Why wouldn’t they let Eliza be 4th if Scout was being divisive? If I were Eliza, I’d trust Ami more than Scout, wouldn’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2004, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-18-slightly-more-interesting-than-watching-paint-dry/275608/32 "2004-11-19T20:42:46Z")
> [@watsonwil](#): > > But who would they pull with this argument? There are only 7 left. Ami, Leann and Julie seem like a solid block. Why wouldn’t they let Eliza be 4th if Scout was being divisive? If I were Eliza, I’d trust Ami more than Scout, wouldn’t you? Not after the skull-torching incident. The three made it perfectly clear who the fifth wheel was. In a particularly visually striking way. She knows she is toast. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2004, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-18-slightly-more-interesting-than-watching-paint-dry/275608/33 "2004-11-19T21:13:17Z")
But Scout has considered voting her out BEFORE the men because she hates her. It seems EVERYONE hates her. That’s who I’d want in the final two. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Long\_Road](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5a626/32.png) [@The\_Long\_Road](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Long_Road)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2004, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-18-slightly-more-interesting-than-watching-paint-dry/275608/34 "2004-11-19T23:30:17Z")
If I were Chris, I’d just go nuts and make everyone miserable. Why bother trying to stay in the game when you will be voted out the first time you don’t win immunity? First, the flint would take an unscheduled trip into the ocean, then a few buckets of water to make sure no flame remained in the campfire. After that, the machete would probably join the flint. All the food would take a holiday. Now that I think about it, I might save a burning piece of wood to wipe out the camp. Sure, it would be mean and hateful but it would make the show interesting. Supposedly the only rule in Survivor is no physical altercations so it should be allowed. ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2004, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-18-slightly-more-interesting-than-watching-paint-dry/275608/35 "2004-11-20T01:50:27Z")
I had to watch this disaster for another. I dislike every one of the women. Ami makes me want to toss cookies. I will have to watch this all the way through but maybe I’ll be drunk And watching the paint dry. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2004, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-18-slightly-more-interesting-than-watching-paint-dry/275608/36 "2004-11-20T01:54:04Z")
> [@The Long Road](#): > > If I were Chris, I’d just go nuts and make everyone miserable. Why bother trying to stay in the game when you will be voted out the first time you don’t win immunity? First, the flint would take an unscheduled trip into the ocean, then a few buckets of water to make sure no flame remained in the campfire. After that, the machete would probably join the flint. All the food would take a holiday. Now that I think about it, I might save a burning piece of wood to wipe out the camp. > > Sure, it would be mean and hateful but it would make the show interesting. Supposedly the only rule in Survivor is no physical altercations so it should be allowed. NICE! That’s _one_ way to make the cut for Survivor: All-Stars 2! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2004, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-18-slightly-more-interesting-than-watching-paint-dry/275608/37 "2004-11-20T01:59:32Z")
I thought it was funny when that one woman with the big breasts told that other woman with the big breasts to shut up and the other big breasted woman just stood there. Do you think _Survivor_ was going for an eye candy only end game? (even at that, they could’ve gotten some prettier eye candy) ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2004, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-18-slightly-more-interesting-than-watching-paint-dry/275608/38 "2004-11-20T12:34:32Z")
> [@watsonwil](#): > > Really, though, Dude (aka- Chris) has not shown ANY competency in the challenges. If the men had been smart, Chris would have been sent home in week 1. How he is the last man standing, I don’t have a clue. That’s just what I was going to say - I can’t believe he’s the last man there. I bet the guys that wanted to vote him out that first week are pissed. Remember, it was his fault the men lost the first IC when he couldn’t stay on the balance beam. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2004, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-18-slightly-more-interesting-than-watching-paint-dry/275608/39 "2004-11-20T14:38:49Z")
I had an “Emperor’s New Strategy” thought a few weeks ago, and I’m still trying to figure this one out. Both sides wanted to vote off the younger ones–the guys, because they didn’t want the physical competition later in the game, and the women, because they really, really hated the girls. After the merge, the women wanted to vote all the guys off because they didn’t want the physical competition later in the game. So, the basic strategy everybody (who’s still in the game) is following is, “Let’s vote off all the tough, strong, athletic people, because they’ll win all the physical challenges.” When was the last time being tough, strong, and athletic led to a win? Ethan? That was _five_ seasons ago! ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2004, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-18-slightly-more-interesting-than-watching-paint-dry/275608/40 "2004-11-20T15:30:36Z")
Boston Rob could have won All-Stars with that strategy. But he was a sucker for the ladies. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-18-slightly-more-interesting-than-watching-paint-dry/275608.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-18-slightly-more-interesting-than-watching-paint-dry/275608.md?page=3)