# Survivor 11/25: Mutiny **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 26, 2004, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25-mutiny/276707 "2004-11-26T04:30:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Poonther](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Poonther](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poonther)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2004, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25-mutiny/276707/21 "2004-11-26T20:42:34Z")
Was it just me or did anyone else notice that when the Surviviors were reunited with their loved ones it looked like the hugging and kissing shots were edited or cut when it came to Scout with her partner and Ami with hers? I mean they showed Chris kissing his girlfriend and the others kissing their parents and friends, but we never saw that of the lesbians. You know that Scout layed a big ole kiss on her partner for sure, so why didn’t we get to see that? ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2004, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25-mutiny/276707/22 "2004-11-26T20:49:34Z")
I was impressed with Twila for the first time this season. She engineered a power play at just the right moment. I didn’t think she had it in her. This was easily the best episode all season and may have rescued Suvivor from terminal boredom until the finale. The look on Chad and Sarge’s face when they realized what happened was priceless. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2004, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25-mutiny/276707/23 "2004-11-26T20:49:39Z")
What do you bet there were a couple million clueless Americans sitting staring at their TVs in slackjawed amazement when Ami’s girlfriend came out? I know _I_ was sitting next to two of them… hee hee… And then Amy sitting up on the podium cheering her girl on… “I LUUUUUURRVE YOU!” ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2004, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25-mutiny/276707/24 "2004-11-26T20:56:30Z")
> [@Poonther](#): > > Was it just me or did anyone else notice that when the Surviviors were reunited with their loved ones it looked like the hugging and kissing shots were edited or cut when it came to Scout with her partner and Ami with hers? I mean they showed Chris kissing his girlfriend and the others kissing their parents and friends, but we never saw that of the lesbians. You know that Scout layed a big ole kiss on her partner for sure, so why didn’t we get to see that? It’s not just you; I noticed it to. My guess is that CBS feels their audience isn’t ready for that yet (ie, they didn’t want to piss off any potential viewers). ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2004, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25-mutiny/276707/25 "2004-11-26T21:32:16Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > It’s not just you; I noticed it to. My guess is that CBS feels their audience isn’t ready for that yet (ie, they didn’t want to piss off any potential viewers). Word. A lot of people on the TWOP messageboard are criticising CBS pretty hard for that, but I think they’re asking a lot of the network. It’s risky enough just openly calling the two women a “life partner” and a “girlfriend.” They could have covered that up and called them roommates or something if they wanted to. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2004, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25-mutiny/276707/26 "2004-11-26T21:40:02Z")
Gee, I hope none of them were in the closet or anything. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25-mutiny/276707/27 "2004-11-27T00:54:49Z")
> [@Slacker](#): > > lol - that’s what I said. > > 1. Amy was in Playboy a few years ago? > > 2. Has it been a rough few years? 1. Yes. Google Ami Cusack if interested. 2. It was nice, but you never know what they airbrushed. > [@PunditLisa](#): > > Smart, but risky. Someone is going to clue Eliza in soon that Scout and Eliza were pushing to vote Eliza off just about every week and then what will Eliza do? Will she go back to Ami and Julie or stay true to her new alliance knowing full well that she’s probably 4th in the pecking order. The problem is, that would create a 3-3 tie. She’s 4th in any pecking order, so she might as well avoid the colored rock by sticking with the Scout alliance. I think Eliza has a chance to go to the final two. She has been fairly competetive in most challenges. ESPECIALLY the mental challenges. She could run off a string of IC wins and go to the final two. I think the only person she could beat would be Ami though… > [@kka](#): > > Survivor has become so boring this season that I almost didn’t watch last night. I wonder at what point do Burnett and Propst realize that they got a stinker? > [@Poonther](#): > > Was it just me or did anyone else notice that when the Surviviors were reunited with their loved ones it looked like the hugging and kissing shots were edited or cut when it came to Scout with her partner and Ami with hers? I mean they showed Chris kissing his girlfriend and the others kissing their parents and friends, but we never saw that of the lesbians. You know that Scout layed a big ole kiss on her partner for sure, so why didn’t we get to see that? A. It’s on in the “family hour.” B. For some reason, it is the #1 show among children under ten (it competes with Fear Factor for that distinction.) C. Janet Jackson’s titty. D. We do not live in the most tolerant of times. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25-mutiny/276707/28 "2004-11-27T00:56:25Z")
Correction: she’s odd man out in either alliance… ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25-mutiny/276707/29 "2004-11-27T02:08:53Z")
> [@watsonwil](#): > > B. For some reason, it is the #1 show among children under ten (it competes with Fear Factor for that distinction.) My 8-year-old son is a huge fan. He watched for the first time with Pearl Islands and was enchanted with Rupert. He then watched All-Stars (but of course had no idea who anyone was but Rupert), and is watching again this time around. He loves the challenges, but is a little bored by too much scheming. I don’t know if he understood “Life Partner” under Scout’s girlfriend’s name, but he didn’t ask what it meant. If he had asked, I certainly would have explained. I think he thought Ami’s “Girlfriend” was just a friend who was a girl. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25-mutiny/276707/30 "2004-11-27T02:44:35Z")
> [@watsonwil](#): > > 1. Yes. Google Ami Cusack if interested. > > 2. It was nice, but you never know what they airbrushed. Damn. All the good ones are always married, gay, or on a sheep farm some where. 😃 I haven’t watched this season since episode 3 or so. How is Eliza still around? Is she winning immunity challenges like its her job or what? ---
**Author:** ![Legolamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4491bb/32.png) [@Legolamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Legolamb)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25-mutiny/276707/31 "2004-11-27T06:31:17Z")
For those of you saying that Eliza is number 4 in both pecking orders, I would think that, knowing that she is not at all liked by anyone left in the game including jury members, a smart Survivor contestant would do everything in his or her power to keep her in the game so that, assuming they win final immunity, they should have an easy F2. Of course that assumes that these contestants are smart. Despite Twila’s turnaround, I’m still waiting for any evidence of that from this shower. ---
**Author:** ![Rainbowthief](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4bbf92/32.png) [@Rainbowthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rainbowthief)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25-mutiny/276707/32 "2004-11-27T11:09:24Z")
> [@watsonwil](#): > > 1. > > The problem is, that would create a 3-3 tie. She’s 4th in any pecking order, so she might as well avoid the colored rock by sticking with the Scout alliance. I hate when **Survivor** contestants talk about being scared of having their “fate decided by a rock.” I wish to hell Mark Burnett would repair the massive damage he’s done to the game and just reassure the next batch of castaways that in the event of a tie, something _other_ than a colored rock drawing will be used to determine elimination. So many people play it safe because they’re too scared of getting Paschaled. At **Survivor: All Stars** , for example, Rupert wanted Jenna to vote for Amber and take their chances with a tie, but she voted against him because she was afraid she’d be eliminated if she drew the purple rock. Aside from the injustice of eliminating a man who never had a single vote cast against him, that stupid rock idea has killed the risk taking element of the game and forced people to stick with alliances that they know they’re not solid with just to avoid elimination. Back to the episode, it was about time this season turned into an actual game of **Survivor** and not the “girls against guys” crap it’s been all season long. Kudos to Twila for showing some tactical ability, especially at such a crucial time in the game. Now if only Ami gets voted off next week, I’ll be a very happy bear. ---
**Author:** ![misstee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/958977/32.png) [@misstee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/misstee)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25-mutiny/276707/33 "2004-11-27T13:10:22Z")
> [@Greywolf73](#): > > Most interesting episode this season! No, wait…ONLY interesting episode this season. I’m growing cautiously optimistic about the rest of the season. Great, the one I miss has to be the interesting one. ☹ I thought about setting the VCR to record, but then I thought about how boring the rest of the season had been. ---
**Author:** ![NotWithoutRage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/22d042/32.png) [@NotWithoutRage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotWithoutRage)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2004, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25-mutiny/276707/34 "2004-11-28T02:57:57Z")
> [@Legolamb](#): > > For those of you saying that Eliza is number 4 in both pecking orders, I would think that, knowing that she is not at all liked by anyone left in the game including jury members, a smart Survivor contestant would do everything in his or her power to keep her in the game so that, assuming they win final immunity, they should have an easy F2. Unless, of course, the jury members punted in favor of Eliza get angry, and Eliza gets the spite vote. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2004, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25-mutiny/276707/35 "2004-11-28T15:58:25Z")
I hate the spite vote, but you must recognize the impact. It is the very rare Survivor jury member who will admit they were duped and vote for the power player who burned them. I was really disappointed in Lex in All-Stars. Even though he was burned by Rob, I thought he would vote for the better player. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2004, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25-mutiny/276707/36 "2004-11-28T16:00:02Z")
> [@watsonwil](#): > > I hate the spite vote, but you must recognize the impact. It is the very rare Survivor jury member who will admit they were duped and vote for the power player who burned them. Ah, yes. The “Christy Effect.” Who saw _THAT_ coming? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25-mutiny/276707.md?page=1)