# Survivor 11/25 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 25, 2005, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25/332657 "2005-11-25T05:43:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2005, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25/332657/41 "2005-11-26T21:02:34Z")
> [@](#): > > Right. Therefore make enemies of the unstable and inconsequential. Bust the pots of someone psychotic, like Judd. Or someone harmless, like Cindy. In a situation where there’s only seven people voting, there are no inconsequential or harmless people. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2005, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25/332657/42 "2005-11-26T21:22:32Z")
> [@The Big Cheese](#): > > [http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/HogeGa00.htm](http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/HogeGa00.htm) I posted that same exact link in a previous Survivor thread several weeks ago when discussing how hard it would be to actually recognise him at the drop of a hat. But thanks for reposting it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2005, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25/332657/43 "2005-11-26T21:40:20Z")
I guess we got spared a clip show this season. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2005, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25/332657/44 "2005-11-26T22:35:33Z")
A TV guide interview with Burnett and Probst revealed that for some inexplicable reason, Danni’s house had a picture of Gary in it while she was growing up. I’m guessing it was one of those picture-with-a-fan autograph deals that her father did. But seriously, Gary Hogeboom? Unless Danni is from Arizona, where Gary was the starter in the 89 season. Then it would actually be plausible. You guys are killing me with your references to the RC pissing people off and being strategically significant. Can anybody give me the rundown on what happened? All I know is that when I started watching, Lydia was pissed, and there seemed to be lingering RC issues in the tribe. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2005, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25/332657/45 "2005-11-26T23:51:37Z")
Danni is from Kansas so there doesn’t appear to be any particular geographical connection. But I don’t see why it’s considered that unlikely that an admitted sports fanatic would recognize an NFL quarterback (and Gary was still actively playing when Danni was 14). One surprise I’ve read is that Danni is apparently a fairly successful actress and model and was married to country music singer Wade Hayes. She may conceivably have more money than Gary does. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25/332657/46 "2005-11-27T00:00:06Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > In a situation where there’s only seven people voting, there are no inconsequential or harmless people. Generally, I would agree, but in this case, both Judd and Cindy fit the bill, I believe. Judd is just James with less finesse, and Cindy could draw Steph’s jealousy. True there are only a few, but of those few, Lydia picked just about the worst possible one to antagonize. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25/332657/47 "2005-11-27T00:28:54Z")
> [@Ellis Dee](#): > > You guys are killing me with your references to the RC pissing people off and being strategically significant. Can anybody give me the rundown on what happened? All I know is that when I started watching, Lydia was pissed, and there seemed to be lingering RC issues in the tribe. I’ll put you out of your misery! It was one of those challenges where everyone starts with three pots with their names on it. Jeff asks a series of questions and if you get one right, you get to bust someone else’s pot. Once all of your pots are busted, you are out. The player with the last pot gets to go on a lavish reward trip. Lydia, thinking she had eaten more than others at previous rewards, targeted Steph. Not only did she pop her once, she popped her a second time. Steph was pissed and threw a hissy when she got back to camp. Instantly, Lydia was persona non grata with the dominant alliance. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25/332657/48 "2005-11-27T01:41:05Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Hey, there’s families that can’t get together one day for Thanksgiving without having domestic-violence-level fights. These people have all been in each other’s faces for a month now. Yeah, but there isn’t $1M on the line at your average Thanksgiving get together! 🙂 Seriously, the smart people just keep their mouths shut as much as possible When Probst tries to goad you at TC, you just say “Hey, I’m having a great time out here with all these fun people.” End of story. ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25/332657/49 "2005-11-27T04:02:10Z")
> [@The Big Cheese](#): > > For what it’s worth, here are Gary’s stats. Seems like he played in every game in '84 & 85 for Dallas, and missed 2 with Phoenix his last year. Had one year where he had more td’s than interceptions. > > ```auto > > +---------------------------------------+-----------------+ > | Passing | Rushing | > +----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+ > | Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD | > +----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+ > | 1980 dal | 2 | 0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | > | 1981 dal | 1 | 0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | > | 1982 dal | 4 | 3 8 37.5 45 5.6 0 1 | 3 0 0 | > | 1983 dal | 6 | 11 17 64.7 161 9.5 1 1 | 6 -10 0 | > | 1984 dal | 16 | 195 367 53.1 2366 6.4 7 14 | 15 19 0 | > | 1985 dal | 16 | 70 126 55.6 978 7.8 5 7 | 8 48 1 | > | 1986 ind | 5 | 85 144 59.0 1154 8.0 6 6 | 10 20 1 | > | 1987 ind | 6 | 99 168 58.9 1145 6.8 9 5 | 3 3 0 | > | 1988 ind | 9 | 76 131 58.0 996 7.6 7 7 | 11 -8 1 | > | 1989 pho | 14 | 204 364 56.0 2591 7.1 14 19 | 27 89 1 | > +----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+ > | TOTAL | 79 | 743 1325 56.1 9436 7.1 49 60 | 83 161 4 | > +----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+ > > ``` > > [http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/HogeGa00.htm](http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/HogeGa00.htm) The '85 Bears nipped Dallas 44-0 in Dallas. Ya think Hogeboom got his ass kicked in that game? ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25/332657/50 "2005-11-27T15:04:14Z")
The worst NFL QB is still one of the best football players in the world. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25/332657/51 "2005-11-27T16:25:27Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > The worst NFL QB is still one of the best football players in the world. good point… out of the billions of people on the planet, only a few thousand have made it that far. ---
**Author:** ![Avarie537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/48db29/32.png) [@Avarie537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avarie537)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25/332657/52 "2005-11-27T18:10:29Z")
In a previous Survivor thread, Danni’s knowledge of Gary’s true identity was discussed at great length. It seems as though Danni’s dad went to the same college as Gary and was a HUGE fan of his So, she was inundated with Gary Hogeboom stories and pictures as a child, as well as (I would assume) religious viewing of his televised games. Anyway - Lydia’s an idiot, and Judd’s a dumbass. I was wondering when Gary would out him with his huge lie. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25/332657/53 "2005-11-27T18:55:21Z")
What’s the source of the bad blood between Gary and Cindy? She seems to be pretty much flying under the radar for the most part. ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2005, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25/332657/54 "2005-11-27T19:59:41Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > What’s the source of the bad blood between Gary and Cindy? That’s what I wondered. I was also glad Gary called Judd on his lie about the location of the Immunity Idol. Jeez, I hate Judd. And Stephenie. I want them both gone. I’d be fine with anyone else winning, but I’d prefer Rafe or Cindy. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2005, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25/332657/55 "2005-11-28T00:09:31Z")
Did it begin when Gary voted for Cindy as his throw away vote (when BJ was ousted) or did it stem from something earlier? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-25/332657.md?page=2)