# Survivor 11/29 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 30, 2007, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-29/428283 "2007-11-30T05:15:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2007, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-29/428283/41 "2007-11-30T19:38:41Z")
[QUOTE=squeegee] Now _that_ would have maybe gotten into at least the low ranks of Greatest Survivor Moves Evar (I don’t think Amanda’s stuff this week rates more than a mention), _if_ it had worked out that way. As mentioned, James and Peegee weren’t on good terms, so I’m not sure it could. [/QUOTE] Maybe you’re right, but I cannot think of another episode where a player who was basically a non-entity engineered a sucessful coup against a player who was the dead-solid favorite to win the whole thing. . There have been other dicussions and opportunities (one a couple of weeks ago), but only Amanda has been able to lead one to success. Thinking it up doesn’t mean squat - acyually making it happen is the only thing that counts. Remember, Amanda has never had, and unlikely to ever have immunity. If she pulls off this win, she will have played the game masterfully. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2007, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-29/428283/42 "2007-11-30T20:00:04Z")
I will miss James’ whacky idioms: “every swingin’ Dick and Harry”, “Don’t bite from the apple!”, others I can’t recall. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2007, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-29/428283/43 "2007-11-30T20:58:12Z")
Aww James. Compared to last season’s African-American titan, Dre, who “bit the apple” and just couldn’t maintain his integrity by selling out Yao Man, I think James had both the physical AND mental prowess to go far. I don’t think James would have ever been tempted to sell out his alliance. I thought his final speech was very classy. No hard feelings, no bitterness. Courtney and Todd annoy me to no end. Gooo Denise. She’s such a salt of the earth kind of lady and probably one of the few I would have actually bonded with. I thought it was odd that Amanda showed her favoritism to Erik in front of Todd. I think Denise, etc. ought to get wise to the fact that Erik and Amanda like each other. Blocks of 2 are very powerful and much harder to penetrate than bigger blocks. Think Rudy/Richard, Jenna/Heidi, Rob/Amber, Tina/Colby. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2007, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-29/428283/44 "2007-11-30T21:55:46Z")
[QUOTE=squeegee] So if James had played the HII, then there’s be one vote for Todd, one for Peegee, and… they’d make fire? [/QUOTE] bump ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2007, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-29/428283/45 "2007-11-30T21:55:56Z")
[QUOTE=squeegee] I will miss James’ whacky idioms: “every swingin’ Dick and Harry”, “Don’t bite from the apple!”, others I can’t recall. [/QUOTE] Me too. I liked his accent – he actually says “nekkid” and “hongry”. ---
**Author:** ![GargoyleWB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gargoylewb/32/199_2.png) [@GargoyleWB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GargoyleWB)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2007, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-29/428283/46 "2007-11-30T22:49:28Z")
So do the unused HIIs get tossed back into play for the next couple of weeks? ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2007, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-29/428283/47 "2007-11-30T23:11:22Z")
[QUOTE=squeegee] bump [/QUOTE] Possibly. It’s not like those rules are written down anywhere, so really, the true answer is: Whatever the producers felt like doing that generated the most drama. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2007, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-29/428283/48 "2007-11-30T23:13:44Z")
[QUOTE=JSexton] Possibly. It’s not like those rules are written down anywhere, so really, the true answer is: Whatever the producers felt like doing that generated the most drama. [/QUOTE] Although the last three times it’s happened, they’ve first voted again. If the results are still tied, then the fire is used. Now, they could have changed that without announcing it, but the assumption is that it would be as it’s been the last four (five?) seasons. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn1767](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Shawn1767](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shawn1767)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2007, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-29/428283/49 "2007-11-30T23:55:58Z")
I can’t imagine how much I would be kicking myself if I was voted off while still having TWO immunity idols. It boggles my mind. I would not be able to sleep at night. But I thought James had a good parting speech. As for Courtney, yeah, she’s extremely thin, but I think she’s still light years better looking than the other “Skeletor” from a few seasons ago: Heidi. Bleah… I think the thing I like about Courtney is that it’s obvious she watches the show and she’s blunt about it at times. I think my favorite Courtney moment (a few shows back) was when she walked over to the water and said “I am also coming over here to ‘get some water’,” and did the air quotes. (quote from memory, but that was the gist of it.) ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2007, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-29/428283/50 "2007-12-01T00:08:18Z")
[QUOTE=jayjay] Although the last three times it’s happened, they’ve first voted again. If the results are still tied, then the fire is used. Now, they could have changed that without announcing it, but the assumption is that it would be as it’s been the last four (five?) seasons. [/QUOTE] But they’ve never tied after a HII was played, have they? This seems like a unique situation. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2007, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-29/428283/51 "2007-12-01T03:26:38Z")
[QUOTE=squeegee] But they’ve never tied after a HII was played, have they? This seems like a unique situation. [/QUOTE] I don’t THINK that would affect it. All the HII does is sweep the votes for the HII holder from the board. Any votes for people other than the HII holder would count as if they were the only votes cast. Which means that a tie after a played HII would be run just as if it were a tie on a regular vote. But I’m not an employee of CBS or Mark Burnett Productions so I couldn’t definitely say. ---
**Author:** ![tsm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/db5fbb/32.png) [@tsm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tsm)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2007, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-29/428283/52 "2007-12-01T04:33:11Z")
[QUOTE=Shawn1767] As for Courtney, yeah, she’s extremely thin, but I think she’s still light years better looking than the other “Skeletor” from a few seasons ago: Heidi. [/QUOTE] Also, Courtney apparently doesn’t have the fake boobs that Heidi did. Said fake boobs looked really grotesque once she’d lost a lot of weight. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2007, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-29/428283/53 "2007-12-01T04:46:00Z")
[QUOTE=tsm] Also, Courtney apparently doesn’t have the fake boobs that Heidi did. Said fake boobs looked really grotesque once she’d lost a lot of weight. [/QUOTE] Can you imagine what the wrestler woman (whose name I haven’t bothered to remember) would have looked like at this point?! ---
**Author:** ![Sapo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@Sapo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sapo)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2007, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-29/428283/54 "2007-12-01T07:58:32Z")
[QUOTE=PunditLisa] Aww James. Compared to last season’s African-American titan, Dre, who “bit the apple” and just couldn’t maintain his integrity by selling out Yao Man, I think James had both the physical AND mental prowess to go far. I don’t think James would have ever been tempted to sell out his alliance. [/QUOTE] Please, don’t compare James to Dre. Dre was total garbage and it showed every episode. James just happened to make a stupid mistake (twice), but he was a great guy. ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2007, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-29/428283/55 "2007-12-01T12:30:02Z")
Courtney looks like she might have had a bit of a ‘lack of weight’ problem before Survivor. She looks terrible. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2007, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-29/428283/56 "2007-12-01T13:58:27Z")
[QUOTE=JSexton] Possibly. It’s not like those rules are written down anywhere, so really, the true answer is: Whatever the producers felt like doing that generated the most drama. [/QUOTE] Which the fire-making gag really never did. I’m thinking cage match or something. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2007, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-29/428283/57 "2007-12-01T19:02:39Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Which the fire-making gag really never did. I’m thinking cage match or something. [/QUOTE] Throwing stars at 10 paces? ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2007, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-29/428283/58 "2007-12-01T19:18:04Z")
[QUOTE=Sapo] Please, don’t compare James to Dre. Dre was total garbage and it showed every episode. James just happened to make a stupid mistake (twice), but he was a great guy. [/QUOTE] I think that’s pretty much what I said. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2007, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-29/428283/59 "2007-12-01T20:29:49Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] Well, first of all, I’m not sure spilling to Peigh-Gee was unwise as you say. [/QUOTE] And remember that PG came up with the same plan. The last thing that Amanda wants is for PG running around trying to get votes for the fait accompli and possibly tipping of James in the process. ---
**Author:** ![tsm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/db5fbb/32.png) [@tsm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tsm)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2007, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-29/428283/60 "2007-12-01T22:14:02Z")
[QUOTE=SaintCad] And remember that PG came up with the same plan. The last thing that Amanda wants is for PG running around trying to get votes for the fait accompli and possibly tipping of James in the process. [/QUOTE] Yes. See post #32. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-29/428283.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-11-29/428283.md?page=4)