# Survivor 12/11/08 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 12, 2008, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-11-08/476806 "2008-12-12T01:27:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-11-08/476806/21 "2008-12-12T04:19:39Z")
Sugar actually proved tonight that she’s at least a decent person, although up to this point I still think she allowed herself to be manipulated too much by Kenny earlier in the game. ---
**Author:** ![LH75](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lh75/32/4438_2.png) [@LH75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LH75)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-11-08/476806/22 "2008-12-12T12:12:14Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#): > > I wanted to punch Corrine every time they showed her pumping her fist. You just know the jury’s been sitting around in sequesterville, talking about how much they hate everyone. Lovely, lovely people. > > Sugar’s giving that idol to Matty, and the way she did it, was inspired. She is pretty awesome! I am looking foreward to watching the videos from ponderosa when Crystal joins the jury. ---
**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-11-08/476806/23 "2008-12-12T13:29:54Z")
Great TC!! I’m pulling for Sugar and Bob. Did anyone notice the mohawk Randy was sporting? Did he have that before? ---
**Author:** ![simply\_cats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8c91f0/32.png) [@simply\_cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simply_cats)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-11-08/476806/24 "2008-12-12T13:53:51Z")
I kind of liked Randy’s new 'do. He is entertaining to watch, even though I do strongly suspect that he is really as much of a jerk as the editors tried to make him out to be. I love this season, and as long as Kenny goes next, I really don’t care who wins. They have showed very little Suze this entire season, but I think she is probably a good person (voting with Matty makes me warm and fuzzy about her) Yay! Yay! Yay! ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-11-08/476806/25 "2008-12-12T14:28:30Z")
Every week I do the same thing look in the Game Room for this damn thread. > [@Minnie\_Luna](#): > > I can honestly say that I have never enjoyed a player as much as I enjoy Sugar. > > She is fucking awesome!!! Definately my favotite,but she is gonna have to out do herself in the finale to make it to the final group.if she does I think she wins easily unless Bob and her are left.It will be real interesting to see the votes for that scenario. > [@Sarahfeena](#): > > I wanted to punch Corrine every time they showed her pumping her fist. You just know the jury’s been sitting around in sequesterville, talking about how much they hate everyone. Lovely, lovely people. > > Sugar’s giving that idol to Matty, and the way she did it, was inspired. She is pretty awesome! Corrine is sorta of annoying but the "I hate everybody shtick seems a bit forced.Randy on the other hand…with that permanent scowl on his face is a punk.I would love to see Johhny Fairplay bitch slap him. I don’t think Kenny can win,he has burned to many bridges,but those who are left would be smart to keep him for that reason. Here is a question. Say Bob did give the neclace to Kenny and Sug gives the HII to Matty and its kept a secret by both groups,Kenny and Matty then get all the votes between them. What happens? No one is kicked off? ---
**Author:** ![rexnervous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e9c0ed/32.png) [@rexnervous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rexnervous)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-11-08/476806/26 "2008-12-12T14:39:13Z")
> [@MadTheSwine](#): > > Definately my favotite,but she is gonna have to out do herself in the finale to make it to the final group.if she does I think she wins easily unless Bob and her are left.It will be real interesting to see the votes for that scenario. Call me naive, but I have a hard time thinking Matty or Bob (but especially Matty) will ever vote against Sugar. Clearly we haven’t seen all the interactions, but the way it was presented she masterminded saving their butts. Then again, I’m not out in Africa, starving, physically wiped, mentally exhausted, paranoid and with a million dollars within my grasp. Sugar clearly would be a popular vote-getter from the jury so is very dangerous. Bob vs. Sugar (vs. whomever if it’s a 3-person) in the finale - that would be an fascinating vote, but my guess is Bob takes it. ---
**Author:** ![Walkabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/46a35a/32.png) [@Walkabout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walkabout)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-11-08/476806/27 "2008-12-12T14:48:42Z")
> [@MadTheSwine](#): > > Here is a question. Say Bob did give the neclace to Kenny and Sug gives the HII to Matty and its kept a secret by both groups,Kenny and Matty then get all the votes between them. What happens? No one is kicked off? That can’t happen because Bob would have to give the necklace to Kenny \*before \*the vote. Then no one could vote for Kenny, so whoever Matty voted for (since he can’t vote for himself) would be voted off. ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-11-08/476806/28 "2008-12-12T14:51:01Z")
> [@WVmom](#): > > That can’t happen because Bob would have to give the necklace to Kenny \*before \*the vote. Then no one could vote for Kenny, so whoever Matty voted for (since he can’t vote for himself) would be voted off. Oh :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Montgomery0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Montgomery0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Montgomery0)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-11-08/476806/29 "2008-12-12T16:35:08Z")
> [@rexnervous](#): > > Call me naive, but I have a hard time thinking Matty or Bob (but especially Matty) will ever vote against Sugar. Clearly we haven’t seen all the interactions, but the way it was presented she masterminded saving their butts. If Kenny does the whole guilt trip again, there might be some doubt as to whether Sugar was telling the truth to Bob about their blindsiding of him. I don’t see that happening, but there is really no way to tell if Kenny’s “alliance” was really going to vote for Bob or if Sugar was just tricking him (ala the Kenny/Sugar/Ace thing.) ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-11-08/476806/30 "2008-12-12T16:37:55Z")
> [@Montgomery0](#): > > I don’t see that happening, but there is really no way to tell if Kenny’s “alliance” was really going to vote for Bob or if Sugar was just tricking him (ala the Kenny/Sugar/Ace thing.) You mean “there’s no way to tell with what THEY know” or “there’s no way to tell with what WE know”? Because I distinctly remember both Kenny and Crystal talking about tricking Bob out of the IN and voting him out, right in front of Sugar. ---
**Author:** ![singular1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba9def/32.png) [@singular1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/singular1)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-11-08/476806/31 "2008-12-12T16:43:54Z")
> [@LH75](#): > > I am looking foreward to watching the videos from ponderosa when Crystal joins the jury. They are shameful. They all completely ignore Crystal, pretending she’s not there. Charlie even interviews that he never interacted with her, but he’s giving her the silent treatment so “his friends won’t be mad at him”. Spineless bitch. Man, this will be a bitter, bitter jury. ---
**Author:** ![Montgomery0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Montgomery0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Montgomery0)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-11-08/476806/32 "2008-12-12T16:49:04Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > You mean “there’s no way to tell with what THEY know” or “there’s no way to tell with what WE know”? Because I distinctly remember both Kenny and Crystal talking about tricking Bob out of the IN and voting him out, right in front of Sugar. Well it’s obvious to us, because Kenny did say so. This isn’t obvious to Bob, and really, that’s the only thing that matters anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Roadfood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9fc348/32.png) [@Roadfood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roadfood)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-11-08/476806/33 "2008-12-12T20:26:32Z")
> [@simply\_cats](#): > > I love this season, and as long as Kenny goes next, I really don’t care who wins. They have showed very little Suze this entire season, but I think she is probably a good person (voting with Matty makes me warm and fuzzy about her) Suze is probably the biggest coat-tail rider in Survivor history. If she were to actually win, I’d throw a brick through my TV. Fine, she’s a good person, but she has done nothing to warrant winning. ---
**Author:** ![Roadfood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9fc348/32.png) [@Roadfood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roadfood)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-11-08/476806/34 "2008-12-12T20:33:14Z")
> [@brownie55](#): > > Bob did not help himself by holding the idol after admiting he promised it to the self-described rat. I hope it does not come back to haunt him. I don’t think Bob hurt himself in the eyes of the jury at all. Even if he had straight-out said that he was going back on his word, I don’t think it would have hurt him. Jury members get pissed when they believe one of the final two/three have lied to or betrayed _them_ (the jury member). Lying to or going back on one’s word to some other player, especially when the jury member is already out of the game? I think they all see that as good game playing. I’d be willing to bet that there are at least some jury members who will be _more_ likely to vote for Bob because of the necklace thing with Kenny. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-11-08/476806/35 "2008-12-12T20:45:06Z")
That was the most awesome TC ever. Someone finally played a HII properly! Wooo! Go Sugar! Go Bob! ---
**Author:** ![vandal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/858c86/32.png) [@vandal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vandal)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-11-08/476806/36 "2008-12-12T20:46:52Z")
> [@rexnervous](#): > > Call me naive, but I have a hard time thinking Matty or Bob (but especially Matty) will ever vote against Sugar. Clearly we haven’t seen all the interactions, but the way it was presented she masterminded saving their butts. > > Then again, I’m not out in Africa, starving, physically wiped, mentally exhausted, paranoid and with a million dollars within my grasp. Sugar clearly would be a popular vote-getter from the jury so is very dangerous. Exactly. A $1 million decision is no decision at all. I think they will vote for her without hesitation if they even have the slightest inkling that the jury will choose her over them. And, is it just me or does anyone else cringe at the sight of Kenny without his shirt on? He just looks bad. He’s bordering concentration camp skinnyness. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-11-08/476806/37 "2008-12-12T20:55:42Z")
> [@vandal](#): > > Exactly. A $1 million decision is no decision at all. I think they will vote for her without hesitation if they even have the slightest inkling that the jury will choose her over them. > > And, is it just me or does anyone else cringe at the sight of Kenny without his shirt on? He just looks bad. He’s bordering concentration camp skinnyness. And Bob isn’t? 🙂 I’m really enjoying this one. Glad to see Crystal get the boot, but I’m still liking Kenny. Sugar is playing an awesome game. She will win for sure if she takes it to the end. Although… Sugar and Bob in final 2 would be a tough choice. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-11-08/476806/38 "2008-12-12T21:56:32Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > And Bob isn’t? 🙂 Bob looks skinny, but still healthy. Maybe it was just being covered with mud, but Kenny really looks like he was about to die during that last challenge. I realized that the one thing this season lacked was the “Knock each other players out in some fashion” challenge. It’s too late now, but that would’ve been a great challenge last night or the episode before. Really shows how everyone is planning out the end game. ---
**Author:** ![LH75](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lh75/32/4438_2.png) [@LH75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LH75)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-11-08/476806/39 "2008-12-12T22:02:33Z")
If Bob can make it through the next round, he will win in the usual endurance challenge for immunity for final three. My prediction for the final three: Sugar, Bob and Matty, with the win going to Sugar ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2008, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-11-08/476806/40 "2008-12-12T22:08:35Z")
> [@LH75](#): > > If Bob can make it through the next round, he will win in the usual endurance challenge for immunity for final three. I don’t know. Matty won the earlier endurance challenge. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-11-08/476806.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-11-08/476806.md?page=3)