# Survivor: 12-12-12 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 13, 2012, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-12-12/643907 "2012-12-13T06:06:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-12-12/643907/21 "2012-12-14T00:14:16Z")
Lisa and Skupin really have no shot with Abi gone. With either Malcolm or Denise in the final three, they lose. Their best chance may be to end up with both Malcolm and Denise in the final three and hope some sort of split vote develops and the squeak by with maybe four votes. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-12-12/643907/22 "2012-12-14T00:14:47Z")
> [@Fir\_na\_tine](#): > > If I were Denise, when the others returned from their joyride, Abi would be missing and there might be a fresh pile of dirt way out in the woods. No!! :eek:Not in unhallowed ground! šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-12-12/643907/23 "2012-12-14T00:18:50Z")
> [@magnusblitz](#): > > The contestants are acting like itā€™ll end at a Final 3, Iā€™m still convinced itā€™ll be a Final 2. Jeff already confirmed that itā€™s a Final 3. ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-12-12/643907/24 "2012-12-14T01:24:12Z")
> [@interface2x](#): > > Jeff already confirmed that itā€™s a Final 3. Shucks. I was hoping for a final 2 since itā€™s been a while since they did that and it might throw a monkey wrench into some of the strategizing. The producers probably figure that having three contestants in the running it promotes viewership. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-12-12/643907/25 "2012-12-14T01:36:16Z")
> [@interface2x](#): > > Jeff already confirmed that itā€™s a Final 3. Wow, _one_ elimination in the finale? It better be a 1 hour finale (not counting reunion), because I canā€™t see how theyā€™ll fill a two-hour slot with anything very interesting game-wise. A 30 minute season recap? 30 minutes of dropping torches in the water? Then an immunity challenge to the death using foam weapons? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-12-12/643907/26 "2012-12-14T06:46:33Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > Lisa and Skupin really have no shot with Abi gone. With either Malcolm or Denise in the final three, they lose. Their best chance may be to end up with both Malcolm and Denise in the final three and hope some sort of split vote develops and the squeak by with maybe four votes. Agreed. Especially about Lisa. She has no chance of winning. Skupin has a better chance, but who wants to give the $1M to a retread? Malcolm and Denise have been the true Survivors, especially when you consider where they came from in their original tribe and what they had to do after the merge. Iā€™m hoping Denise wins, but I wonā€™t be too disappointed if Malcolm wins. My $$ is on Denise, though, if she makes it to the end. If Malcolm wins immunity, sheā€™s toast. ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-12-12/643907/27 "2012-12-14T14:25:30Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > Lisa and Skupin really have no shot with Abi gone. With either Malcolm or Denise in the final three, they lose. Their best chance may be to end up with both Malcolm and Denise in the final three and hope some sort of split vote develops and the squeak by with maybe four votes. I dunno. With both Malcolm and Denise in a Final 3, Iā€™m hard-pressed to think of an argument for four votes going to somebody else. I honestly have no idea which of the two would get more votes, though, so of course the only way the final vote will have any drama at all is for them both to be there. Maybe weā€™ll see the first tie vote in a final and finally learn how theyā€™d handle it! > [@interface2x](#): > > Jeff already confirmed that itā€™s a Final 3. Iā€™m disappointed in this too, both because a 2-hour finale is a long way to go to get rid of one player, and because Iā€™ve always liked Final 2ā€™s more anyway. I suppose what they wanted to eliminate was the winner of the last immunity challenge having absolute power over who else goes to the final; this way you still need an ally in the last vote. But a Final 2 seems to have an extra layer of having earned your way there nevertheless. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-12-12/643907/28 "2012-12-14T14:42:22Z")
Itā€™s definitely a 2 hour finale (3 hours with reunion), scheduled to start at 8:30 and will probably be delayed by football anyway. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-12-12/643907/29 "2012-12-14T14:50:40Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Itā€™s definitely a 2 hour finale (3 hours with reunion), scheduled to start at 8:30 and will probably be delayed by football anyway. Isnā€™t Sunday Night Football on NBC? 9ers play N.E. Go 9ers!! But thatā€™s good. Weā€™ll watch football, and then switch over to Survivor on the DVR. Maybe enough time will have elapsed so we can FF through commercials. ---
**Author:** ![Moonlitherial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4bbf92/32.png) [@Moonlitherial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moonlitherial)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-12-12/643907/30 "2012-12-14T15:11:58Z")
> [@magnusblitz](#): > > I really hope not. Sheā€™s not really a great villain, sheā€™s just really, really dumb and has no idea how to read people. This is why sheā€™d be perfect. Can you imagine her breakdown on a team with real villains? ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-12-12/643907/31 "2012-12-14T15:17:25Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Isnā€™t Sunday Night Football on NBC? 9ers play N.E. Go 9ers!! > > But thatā€™s good. Weā€™ll watch football, and then switch over to Survivor on the DVR. Maybe enough time will have elapsed so we can FF through commercials. Yes, but CBS has the 4:25 game this week, so theyā€™re scheduling 60 Minutes to start at 7:30, and they havenā€™t hit that start time yet. And yeah, Iā€™ll be watching the Pats crush your 49ers like Malcolm spanking Abi in a challenge. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-12-12/643907/32 "2012-12-14T15:49:19Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Yes, but CBS has the 4:25 game this week, so theyā€™re scheduling 60 Minutes to start at 7:30, and they havenā€™t hit that start time yet. And yeah, Iā€™ll be watching the Pats crush your 49ers like Malcolm spanking Abi in a challenge. šŸ™‚ Good one! Actually, itā€™s sort of win/win for me on this. Live in NorCal and have for a long time, but grew up in New England. I can go either way. As for Abi, I think I could watch a renunion show, not of ā€œvillainsā€, but of clueless, social idiots. Make sure they all have ZERO survival skills and MAXIMUM complaining skills. ---
**Author:** ![FlightlessBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/cdc98d/32.png) [@FlightlessBird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlightlessBird)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-12-12/643907/33 "2012-12-14T15:58:29Z")
> [@Moonlitherial](#): > > This is why sheā€™d be perfect. Can you imagine her breakdown on a team with real villains? Made me smile! šŸ™‚ Does anyone else think that Abi//Pete/Artiss/Carter will vote together? What I mean is that if Denise(letā€™s say) is harsh to Abi at the FTC, might it dissuade the others from voting for her. The best situation is to be sure youā€™re sitting next to someone who is as hated by that foursome as you are. (Malcolm and Denise) But since itā€™s a final 3, those 4 can vote for the third option (Skupin or Lisa) and they would only need to get one more vote to win. This could be a very interesting FTC. More interesting than the ā€˜whoā€™s the most bitterā€™ fest it usually is. ---
**Author:** ![ekweizn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7c8e57/32.png) [@ekweizn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekweizn)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-12-12/643907/34 "2012-12-15T01:14:16Z")
> [@interface2x](#): > > Jeff already confirmed that itā€™s a Final 3. Cite? Thereā€™s never been a final episode where there was only one elimination. The case to be made for a final 3 is that the last chance for the hidden immunity to be played is usually two eliminations before the one leading to final tribal (i.e. at final 5 tribal council for a 3-person final tribal). However, there were three idols this seasonā€“they set the last tribal council to play hidden immunity at final 5 so there wasnā€™t the possible outcome of all four remaining players having immunity at final 4. ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-12-12/643907/35 "2012-12-15T04:02:29Z")
I originally got it from [this tweet](https://twitter.com/DaltonRoss/status/276701206527758336) from Dalton Ross that says > [@](#): > > Jeff Probst addresses Survivor jury fairness issue, says it is a final 3 and there are no more hidden immunity idols. However, the link only hints at that: > [@](#): > > Weā€™re at the point in the show where who you vote out is as important as who you decide to keep. Abi is the wild card. Will she drive people nuts enough to vote her out or can she annoy her way to the final three? Itā€™s a great ending ā€” two more eps! [Link.](http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/12/06/survivor-philippines-jeff-probst-episode-12-jury-idols/). So I guess weā€™ll see. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2012, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-12-12/643907/36 "2012-12-16T04:24:43Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > Wow, _one_ elimination in the finale? It better be a 1 hour finale (not counting reunion), because I canā€™t see how theyā€™ll fill a two-hour slot with anything very interesting game-wise. A 30 minute season recap? 30 minutes of dropping torches in the water? Then an immunity challenge to the death using foam weapons? I donā€™t see anything different about it. One hour to eliminate one player, just like always. Then you have the walk of the fallen, then final tribal council. It seems exactly right to me. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2012, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-12-12/643907/37 "2012-12-16T04:58:35Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > I donā€™t see anything different about it. One hour to eliminate one player, just like always. Then you have the walk of the fallen, then final tribal council. It seems exactly right to me. Except itā€™s never been done this way before, _and_ the finale has always been rife with filler, not least because weā€™re down to so few people that thereā€™s not a lot left to show or talk about. I can see your point about using one hour to sink one player, like every week, but then weā€™re left with a whole 'nother hour with really nothing to do except the final reverse-tribal, with the result of that tribal not even revealed until the start of the _third_ hour. I may just stop watching after the first elimination if this is the way they go, and read who won on the internet. I donā€™t think Iā€™ll be the only one who will. ---
**Author:** ![Spud](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spud/32/347_2.png) [@Spud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spud)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2012, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-12-12/643907/38 "2012-12-17T00:19:47Z")
Just a headā€™s upā€¦ 60 Minutes is supposed to start at 7:30. It is 7:20 now and the game is tied with under 3 minutes to go. Expect overtime and a delay. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2012, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-12-12/643907/39 "2012-12-17T00:58:17Z")
60 Minutes just now starting. Hmmmā€¦ and they just said it would be a ā€œshortened edition of 60 minutes.ā€ Maybe theyā€™re going to start \*Survivor \*on time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-12-12/643907.md?page=1)